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So what are the other reasons?
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"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously. -
Ok, I tought it was pretty obvius and that the vid didn't need comment.
The MIC is a very overlooked and important force behind the US foreign policy and has a profund cultural impact that has transformed the US into something the founding fathers, who were men of the enlightenment, would not recognise.
Ike however would, with greatly discomfort.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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I can't see the video since I am at work, though I am positive I know exactly what it says. Did you have any particular reation to it that I could argue with you about?
In any case, if we are concerned about forces that have changed this country into something the founding fathers wouldn't recognize, the MIC is the least of your worries."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Ike has a peanut head.Comment
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Ike was speaking during different times. A different society, culture, the Cold War, different enemy, etc, etc. To use him as the starting point for a modern discussion is silly. Unless you think Athenian democracy must be the starting point for modern political discourse..."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by Wezil
Ike was speaking during different times. A different society, culture, the Cold War, different enemy, etc, etc. To use him as the starting point for a modern discussion is silly. Unless you think Athenian democracy must be the starting point for modern political discourse...
If you genuenly consider Ike as far removed from modern life as athenian democracy* I can't help you**... I don't know about you but some people on this forum follow or at least claim to follow the teachings of a dead crapenter who lived 2000 years ago!
50 years is as short time frame, and trends in history go way beyond that...
A society of fear
Strong nationalistic feelings
pranoia (the fear of an insedius enemy)
the limitng of public discours
increases in mitary budget beyond all boundaries
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*And it isn't that far removed...
**To be fair I can understand Americans may have a different view on history than Europeans. But the truth is that changes are mostly reinvented old concepts...Last edited by Heraclitus; November 6, 2007, 14:24.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Congratulations. That's the most worthy input you've had yet.Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
Ike has a peanut head.
No, it's not much; but it's a beginning.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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I wouldn't say that too loudly.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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I feel validated now.Originally posted by SlowwHand
Congratulations. That's the most worthy input you've had yet.
No, it's not much; but it's a beginning.
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Read my post I think it is overlooked. *hint*Originally posted by Patroklos
I can't see the video since I am at work, though I am positive I know exactly what it says. Did you have any particular reation to it that I could argue with you about?
In any case, if we are concerned about forces that have changed this country into something the founding fathers wouldn't recognize, the MIC is the least of your worries.
As in: "I think it is important." The way to respond to this is to explain why you think it isn't important.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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You're ok, bud. I can mess with you and you don't get your shorts in a knot.Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
I feel validated now.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Be careful Riesstiu IV, Sloww messing with you sometimes includes buck shot."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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This speech resurfaces from time to time. When somebody brings it up, he's usually a young hippie who doesn't understand the context.Originally posted by Arrian
Eisenhower's warning
FYI, Heraclitus, bringing up 'ole Ike's comments regarding the MIC is not exactly uncommon nowadays in the US.
-Arrian
Big point in the speech is that every voter who's not PART of the military-industrial-congressional complex should vote against it: unless high-ranking officials in the army, shareholders of large corporations producing military equipment, and corrupt congressmen, are not being watch, and opposed on the voting booth if necessary; they will increase military spending infinitely, not just enough to "keep America safe". Voting public should have the discipline and courage to vote AGAINST congressmen who have supported (or worse, demanded) more military pork on the budget, even if it means they will not OMG SUPPORT THE TROOPS.Ehhh, there is a lot that can be blaimed for the current situation (which is hardly what people rant about). I blame incompetant Congressional appropriations oversight for most of it.Comment
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