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    Thousands return to safer Iraqi capital
    By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
    Sat Nov 3, 2:43 PM ET

    BAGHDAD - In a dramatic turnaround, more than 3,000 Iraqi families driven out of their Baghdad neighborhoods have returned to their homes in the past three months as sectarian violence has dropped, the government said Saturday.

    Saad al-Azawi, his wife and four children are among them. They fled to Syria six months ago, leaving behind what had become one of the capital's more dangerous districts — west Baghdad's largely Sunni Khadra region.

    The family had been living inside a vicious and bloody turf battle between al-Qaida in Iraq and Mahdi Army militiamen. But Azawi said things began changing, becoming more peaceful, in August when radical anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr ordered his Mahdi Army fighters to stand down nationwide.

    About the same time, the Khadra neighborhood Awakening Council rose up against brutal al-Qaida control — the imposition of its austere interpretation of Islam, along with the murder and torture of those who would not comply.

    The uprising originated in Iraq's west and flowed into the capital. Earlier this year, the Sunni tribes and clans in the vast Anbar province began their own revolt and have successfully rid the largely desert region of al-Qaida control.

    At one point the terrorist group virtually controlled Anbar, often with the complicity of the vast Sunni majority who welcomed the outsiders in their fight against American forces.

    But, U.S. officials say, al-Qaida overplayed its hand with Iraq's Sunnis, who practice a moderate version of Islam. American forces were quick to capitalize on the upheaval, welcoming former Sunni enemies as colleagues in securing what was once the most dangerous region of the country.

    And as 30,000 additional U.S. forces arrived for the crackdown in Baghdad and central Iraq, the American commander, Gen. David Petraeus, began stationing many of them in neighborhood outposts. The mission was not only to take back control but to foster neighborhood groups like the one in Khadra to shake off al-Qaida's grip.

    The 40-year-old al-Azawi, who has gone back to work managing a car service, said relatives and friends persuaded him to bring his family home.

    "Six months ago, I wouldn't dare be outside, not even to stand near the garden gate by the street. Killings had become routine. I stopped going to work, I was so afraid," he said, chatting with friends on a street in the neighborhood.

    When he and his family joined the flood of Iraqi refugees to Syria the streets were empty by early afternoon, when all shops were tightly shuttered. Now the stores stay open until 10 p.m. and the U.S. military working with the neighborhood council is handing out $2,000 grants to shop owners who had closed their business. The money goes to those who agree to reopen or first-time businessmen.

    Al-Azawi said he's trying to get one of the grants to open a poultry and egg shop that his brother would run.

    "In Khadra, about 15 families have returned from Syria. I've called friends and family still there and told them it's safe to come home," he said.

    Sattar Nawrous, a spokesman for the Ministry of Displacement and Migration, said the al-Azawi family was among 3,100 that have returned to their homes in Baghdad in the past 90 days.

    "In the past three months, the ministry did not register any forced displacement in the whole of Iraq," said Nawrous, who is a Kurd.

    The claim could not be independently verified, but, if true, it would represent a dramatic end to the sectarian cleansing that has shredded the fabric of Baghdad's once mixed society.

    The head of the ministry is Abdul-Samad Rahman, a Shiite appointed to his job by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who is accused of promoting the Shiite cause to the detriment of Sunnis. Under Saddam Hussein, the Sunni minority ruled and heavily oppressed many in the Shiite majority.

    Part of the inflow can be attributed to stiffening of visa and residency procedures for Iraqis by the Syrian government.

    Mahmoud al-Zubaidi, who runs the Iraqi Airways office in Damascus, the Syrian capital, the flow of Iraqis has almost reversed.

    What were once full flights arriving from Baghdad now touch down virtually empty, he told Al-Sabah, the government funded Iraqi daily newspaper. Now the flights are leaving Damascus with more passengers but the volume of travel is off considerably.

    On average, 56 Iraqis — civilians and security forces — have died each day so far in this very bloody year. Last month, however, the toll fell to just under 30 Iraqis killed daily in sectarian violence.

    More than four months after U.S. forces completed a 30,000-strong force buildup, the death toll for both Iraqis and Americans has fallen dramatically for two months running.

    Across Iraq Saturday, 18 people were killed or found dead in sectarian violence, well below the year's daily average.


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  • #2
    Read War Nerd more then maybe you'd know that every insurgent group attacks weak points and avoids strong points. They're still there and they know the escalation will end soon so they're waiting it out and attacking targets in the 95% of Iraq that is not Baghdad.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Oerdin
      Read War Nerd
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #4
        On average, 56 Iraqis — civilians and security forces — have died each day so far in this very bloody year. Last month, however, the toll fell to just under 30 Iraqis killed daily in sectarian violence.

        More than four months after U.S. forces completed a 30,000-strong force buildup, the death toll for both Iraqis and Americans has fallen dramatically for two months running.

        Across Iraq Saturday, 18 people were killed or found dead in sectarian violence, well below the year's daily average.

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        • #5
          wack a mole. Nationbuilding. People who can't take care of themselves and are dependant on us. Let's get out. This is Democrat style silliness. Armies are for destroying and killing. Not for wandering around forever in Mesoptomamia getting shot at and not changing anything and dragging on for years and years. And Bush is an idiot.

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          • #6
            If the surge is such a brilliant strategy, why did Patreaus say we could go back and have less troops now? It makes butt little sense. So a 15% increase in troops has some magic effect? And is only needed for a few months? Come on. Make pop sounds and pull heads out of asses. Let's get out, let them fight the civil war and be done with it.

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            • #7
              From what I understand, the Surge has been a military victory.

              However, the purpose of it was to buy time to permit the various factions in Iraq to engage in "national reconcilation." The Sunnis and Shia appear to be farther apart than ever.

              So at the moment, as I see it, we have no strategy for victory and no strategy for exiting. Our only strategy appears to be to stay, bleed and hand off this mess to the next administration. :frown:

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              • #8
                Let's get out. Abondon the air conditioners. Get the heavy equipment out. Destroy what we want to. Hand the rest off to the Sunnis (if we decide to favor a side). Or just let them all loot it. And march the troops the heck out of there. We could do a forced march and be out of there in a month. and let anyone know that if our troops are messed with on the way out, Iraq will get the same treatment it did on the way in.

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                • #9
                  I'm still trying to figure out why Dino thinks this is bad news.

                  as for the war, it certainly is a good sign to see Iraqis turning on AQ. But they would have done that regardless of our presence, sooner with us out of the way. And I seriously doubt AQ controlled much of anything, other than the neighborhoods they were using as a base of operations. They're far outnumbered and seen only as possible allies by larger groups fighting us, once those groups fighting us stop for whatever reason, AQ becomes very unwelcome. That was one of my arguments for leaving, AQ would be left stuck fighting all the Iraqis they pissed off.

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                  • #10
                    *cough* we need to ensure stability to keep the oil flowing. That's the only reason we are there in the first place.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Berzerker
                      I'm still trying to figure out why Dino thinks this is bad news.
                      I'm drunk and so may state the obvious/miss your point, DD is being sarcastic, no?
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #12
                        but sarcasm would only work if there were people here who thought this was bad news.

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                        • #13
                          Well there are plenty of people here who are saying that Iraq is a quagmire of ****. This is his rebuttal.
                          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                          • #14
                            Don't be so literal dauphin. we are at the seveb tteenth level of tongue in cheekness. you can't even comprehend it. would make you sit and gasp like a drunjk mnad

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                            • #15
                              Piss off TCO, cut me slack. I'm back from a house party where I spent a rather nice time with a Perth girl, so I don't care about tongue in cheekness. Well, not any more, and in a different sense.
                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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