Failure to Pay a Prostitute: Rape or Theft?

[Arrian]

I do buy that argument, btw. It's perfectly reasonable, IMO.

Don't like it? Think it's unfair, or worried about false accusations? Don't buy (or pretend you're going to buy) sex.

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos


When do you pay for most services?

I've always paid for illegal services up front. Legal services are another matter since you should have legal recourse if you don't get your service/pay.

[b etor]

She thinks the hookers and the customers help one another. She dreams of moving to Nevada, where prostitution is legal.

is that the only state that it's legal in?

[Patroklos]

Didn't they train you in that back in your VICE days?

[b etor]

no...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Arrian
I do buy that argument, btw. It's perfectly reasonable, IMO.

Don't like it? Think it's unfair, or worried about false accusations? Don't buy (or pretend you're going to buy) sex.

-Arrian

I think that nonconsentual sex is significantly worse than simply not paying for a prostitute. Consider the probability of physical and psychological trauma for the two cases.

[General Ludd]

What's so god damned holy about money that the exchange of currency makes an action, which is otherwise considered evil, acceptable?

[Arrian]

Sex is evil?

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by General Ludd
What's so god damned holy about money that the exchange of currency makes an action, which is otherwise considered evil, acceptable?

Do you spend money on dates? Have you ever gotten lucky afterwards?

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by General Ludd
What's so god damned holy about money that the exchange of currency makes an action, which is otherwise considered evil, acceptable?

You can't continue in this vein without defining what sex is evil and what sex is not evil. Be specific.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Kontiki
Why are you guys bothering to have this discussion with Ludd? He thinks society=rape. It's not like this is a stretch.

QFT

btw Ludd, are consenting adult gay male prostitutes raped when they ply their trade?

[Spec]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Of course it's rape. Prostitution is rape.

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Good one.

Spec.

[Perfection]

Originally posted by General Ludd Prostitutes don't really want to have sex with you.

Neither does many wives on thier husbands bithdays.

Are wives who don't feel like having sex but have sex anyways to make thier husbands happy on thier special day being raped?

Absolutely not.



Yes, many prostitutes work nonconensually, and those could certainly be considered rape, but a woman can give consent to sex for reasons other then currently wanting sex.

[Alinestra Covelia]

It depends on what the local jurisdiction's definition of rape is.

From what I understand, a majority of U.S. jurisdictions state that rape is penetration, including per os or anum, against the woman's will. Emission is not required. Some jurisdictions require a showing of force, or the reasonable fear of force. (One extreme is Maryland, which requires the woman to show actual physical struggle, or failing that the reasonable fear that she would be actually badly injured or killed if she resisted. At the other end of the spectrum, New Jersey holds that a woman who remains completely silent is still able to claim rape - anything that is not affirmative consent qualifies in this case.)

However, the woman here consented to the penetration, under certain conditions. The fact that she gave her consent under certain conditional factors under her current knowledge (that she would be paid) does not nullify her consent.

A confounding factor here is that prostitution itself can be completely illegal in areas. In which case, the court will generally not attempt to uphold a defective contract. (It treats the contract as though it never even occurred.)

Absent the contract, the woman's consent is based on a legal nullity, thus the man never had her consent. (???)

NB Everything I've just said could be wrong. I'm typing this in the middle of a Constitutional Law class on Abortion, and I'm also getting very hungry as I type this.

[Ninot]

I wonder how Vegas would prosecute this if the guy was going into legal brothels and running out without paying.