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  • #76
    Originally posted by Berzerker
    I dont know, why not?
    It was a rhetorical question.

    Originally posted by Berzerker
    never but I am serious, it is immoral to destroy an effective pain killing drug because some people over imbibe. And that doesn't even get into the immorality of destroying the crops of poor folks while letting fat cat corporations grow the stuff.
    But the peasants never did sell their opium for legitimate purposes and still don't, so no potential pharmaceuticals are being "lost." A more than adequate supply of legitimate opium was already being grown elsewhere before the fall of the Taliban.
    Unbelievable!

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Kuciwalker
      MtG was arguing that it's a fungible commodity with a global market, therefore a supply change in one place affects demand everywhere equally.
      ahhh....okay...I see that now. I agree in that case.
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • #78
        If the Taleban is currently taxing them, then haven't they already (de facto) choosen the Taleban as their sovereign?

        What would you think of a buy and plant scheme for loyal areas (where we buy this years crop and assist in planting alternatives for next year) and an eradication effort (spraying...troops, etc...) for Taleban controlled areas?

        It does sound a bit draconian, but maybe that is what is needed to get the word out about who is actually supposed to be in control over there.


        Yeah... terrorizing civilians into switching political allegiences. Accept our gov't or we'll dump herbicides on your crops. That'll go over real well...
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
        -Bokonon

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Ramo
          If the Taleban is currently taxing them, then haven't they already (de facto) choosen the Taleban as their sovereign?

          What would you think of a buy and plant scheme for loyal areas (where we buy this years crop and assist in planting alternatives for next year) and an eradication effort (spraying...troops, etc...) for Taleban controlled areas?

          It does sound a bit draconian, but maybe that is what is needed to get the word out about who is actually supposed to be in control over there.


          Yeah... terrorizing civilians into switching political allegiences. Accept our gov't or we'll dump herbicides on your crops. That'll go over real well...
          Terrorizing civilians by destroying an illegal, dangerous substance being grown by people who are in open rebellion?

          I love ya Ramo! You do make good comedy.
          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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          • #80
            Open rebellion? Against our puppet, yes.
            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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            • #81
              Your premise involves the defacto legalization of the crop in areas loyal to the Afghan gov't (who, BTW, aren't the greatest fellas in the world). So you can't rely on that "illegal, dangerous" excuse. What you're calling for is terrorism.
              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
              -Bokonon

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Ramo
                Your premise involves the defacto legalization of the crop in areas loyal to the Afghan gov't (who, BTW, aren't the greatest fellas in the world). So you can't rely on that "illegal, dangerous" excuse. What you're calling for is terrorism.
                Bullcrap. Eradication of illegal crops is done everywhere in the world. What you are talking about is harboring terrorist moneymaking operations.
                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Wezil
                  Open rebellion? Against our puppet, yes.
                  elected puppet.

                  It does make a difference.
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #84
                    Your plan is to selectively destroy peasants' crops based on perceived political allegience. That's terrorism to the tee.

                    As for allegedly harbouring "terrorists' money making operations," I've already been through this. See my second post.
                    Last edited by Ramo; October 11, 2007, 18:32.
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                    -Bokonon

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Ramo
                      Your plan is to selectively destroy peasants' crops based on perceived political allegience. That's terrorism to the tee.
                      It is not a matter of political allegience. If the Taleban was legal in Afghanistan then you might have a point...if they were not in open rebellion against the legitimate government, then you might have a point. What we are talking about is the money making project of an illegal terrorist organization in terrorist loyal areas that are openly defying the government. That is certainly not terrorism.
                      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                      • #86
                        Oh...one more thing. You keep refering to them as "crops" (which they are) as if they had the same status as a legal crop and you try to invoke that thought process. They do not. They are the basis for making heroin. I feel no pity for the "peasant" that has no remorse for the pain and suffering his actions cause...let alone that they support terrorist.
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                        • #87
                          Yes, hurting civilians because bad guys tax 'em isn't terrorism because said bad guys hurt civilians. Right
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                          -Bokonon

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                          • #88
                            Oh...one more thing. You keep refering to them as "crops" (which they are) as if they had the same status as a legal crop


                            Your entire premise is that you legalize them in areas loyal to Karzai. WTF
                            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                            -Bokonon

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by PLATO


                              elected puppet.

                              It does make a difference.
                              Wanna buy a bridge?
                              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Ramo
                                Oh...one more thing. You keep refering to them as "crops" (which they are) as if they had the same status as a legal crop


                                Your entire premise is that you legalize them in areas loyal to Karzai. WTF
                                Not hardly

                                Originally posted by Ramo

                                Yes, hurting civilians because bad guys tax 'em isn't terrorism because said bad guys hurt civilians. Right


                                That is a miss characterization of what I said:

                                Originally posted by PLATO
                                an eradication effort (spraying...troops, etc...) for Taleban controlled areas?

                                (bolding added)

                                Why is it that liberals always have to distort what people say to try to make their point?
                                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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