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    U.S. Snipers Accused of 'Baiting' Iraqis

    By PAULINE JELINEK and ROBERT BURNS – 3 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Army snipers hunting insurgents in Iraq were under orders to "bait" their targets with suspicious materials, such as detonation cords, and then kill whoever picked up the items, according to the defense attorney for a soldier accused of planting evidence on an Iraqi he killed. Gary Myers, an attorney for Sgt. Evan Vela, said his client had acted "pursuant to orders."

    "We believe that our client has done nothing more than he was instructed to do by superiors," Myers said in a telephone interview.

    Myers and Vela's father, Curtis Carnahan of Idaho Falls, Idaho, said in separate interviews that sworn statements and testimony in the cases of two other accused Ranger snipers indicate that the Army has a classified program that encourages snipers to "bait" potential targets and then kill whoever takes the bait.

    The Army on Monday declined to confirm such a program exists.

    "To prevent the enemy from learning about our tactics, techniques and training procedures, we don't discuss specific methods targeting enemy combatants," said Paul Boyce, an Army spokesman.

    Boyce also said there are no classified programs that authorize the murder of Iraqi civilians or the use of "drop weapons" to make killings appeared to be legally justified, which is what Vela and the two other snipers are accused of doing.

    The transcript of a court hearing for two of the three accused snipers makes several references to the existence of a classified "baiting" program but provides few details of how it works. A copy of the transcript was provided to The Associated Press by Vela's father.

    The Washington Post, which first reported the existence of the "baiting" program, cited the sworn statement of Capt. Matthew P. Didier, the leader of a Ranger sniper scout platoon.

    "Baiting is putting an object out there that we know they will use, with the intention of destroying the enemy," Didier said in the statement. "Basically, we would put an item out there and watch it. If someone found the item, picked it up and attempted to leave with the item, we would engage the individual as I saw this as a sign they would use the item against U.S. forces."

    The Post said the program was devised by the Army's Asymmetric Warfare Group, which advises commanders on more effective methods in today's unconventional conflicts, including ways to combat roadside bombs.

    Within months of the "baiting" program's introduction, three snipers in Didier's platoon were charged with murder for allegedly using those items and others to make shootings seem legitimate, according to the Post.

    The Post said that although it doesn't appear that the three alleged shootings were specifically part of the classified program, defense attorneys argue that the program may have encouraged them by blurring the legal lines in a complex war zone.

    The court martial of one of the accused soldiers, Spec. Jorge Sandoval Jr., is scheduled to begin in Baghdad on Wednesday. Also facing premeditated murder charges are Vela and Staff Sgt. Michael Hensley.

    They are part of the Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, based at Fort Richardson, Alaska.


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    So it is no wise idea to pick up weapons and other suspicious material in Iraq, with the intention of giving it to the US troops so that no terrorists get it
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    • #3
      even more, it seems that possession of weapons is illegal in Iraq and instantly punishable by death

      a lesson to be learned for the US?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Proteus_MST
        So it is no wise idea to pick up weapons and other suspicious material in Iraq, with the intention of giving it to the US troops so that no terrorists get it
        I think the real message is that it's not a wise idea for anyone to be in Iraq at all.

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        • #5
          I don't understand the problem.
          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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          • #6
            but iraq is as peacefull and safe as colorado or something (according to a US senator)
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            • #7
              Well then he's an idiot, isn't he?
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SlowwHand
                I don't understand the problem.
                That is sad, given that the problem with that is so monumnetally obvious.
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                • #9
                  Do you want snipers to ring a bell and shout, "HEY! Look over here!"
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SlowwHand
                    I don't understand the problem.
                    that when you allow troops to kill people for no reason at all you end up with
                    Within months of the "baiting" program's introduction, three snipers in Didier's platoon were charged with murder for allegedly using those items and others to make shootings seem legitimate, according to the Post.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SlowwHand
                      Well then he's an idiot, isn't he?
                      i think he's running for president
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                      • #12
                        Aren't we fortunate?
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                        • #13
                          In Texas they leave their cash out near the sidewalk and then snipe people who try to steal it, as is their legal right.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aeson
                            In Texas they leave their cash out near the sidewalk and then snipe people who try to steal it, as is their legal right.
                            aaah the famous "right to snipe people"
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                            • #15
                              I'm president of the neighborhood sniper patrol.
                              Crime rates have much improved.
                              It was a little taxing with all the Katrina evacuees here.
                              Just because they lost everything, they'd go scooping up whatever we left out. Suckers.
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                              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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