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  • #16
    "Philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it."

    as it says on a tomb stone in a cemetery up the road.

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    • #17
      "Other evils there are that may come, for Sauron is himself but a servant or emissary. Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule" (LOTR, 861).
      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cort Haus
        "Philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it."
        Marx was not wrong in that statement.

        Though unhooking the messianic drive for redemption from the religious tradition which both asserted individual worth, and also a pragmatic and healthy acceptance of the evil side of human nature, was perhaps what is problematic in Marx's followers.
        Last edited by lord of the mark; September 11, 2007, 16:33.
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • #19
          Laugh at all my dreams, my dearest,
          Laugh and I repeat anew
          That I still believe in man
          As I still believe in you.
          By the passion of our spirit
          Shall our ancient bonds be shed.
          Let the soul be given freedom,
          Let the body have its bread!
          For my soul is not yet sold
          To the golden calf of scorn;
          For I still believe in man,
          And the spirit in him born.
          Life and love and strength and action
          In our heart and blood shall beat,
          And our hopes shall be both heaven
          And the earth beneath our feet.
          — Saul Chernichovsky (translated from the Hebrew by Maurice Samuel)
          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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          • #20



            "I believe, with perfect faith, that messiah, though he tarry, yet will he come"
            Maimonides, Thirteen Principles of Faith
            Last edited by lord of the mark; September 11, 2007, 16:35.
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • #21
              Elie Wiesel tells the following story. One day the Hasidim came to inform the great Rebbe Nahman of Bratslav of renewed persecutions of Jews in the Ukraine. The Master listened and said nothing. Then they told him of pogroms in certain villages. Again the Master listened and said nothing. Then they told of slaughtered families, of desecrated cemeteries, of children burned alive. The Master listened and shook his head. “I know,” he whispered. “I know what you want. I know. You want me to shout with pain, weep in despair. I know, I know. But I will not, you hear me, I will not.” Then after a long silence, he did begin to shout, louder and louder, “Gevalt, Yidden!…Jews, for heaven’s sake, do not despair….Gevalt, Yidden, Jews, do not despair!”



              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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              • #22
                Originally posted by lord of the mark

                Marx was not wrong in that statement.

                Though unhooking the messianic drive for redemption from the religious tradition which both asserted individual worth, and also a pragmatic and healthy acceptance of the evil side of human nature, was perhaps what is problematic in Marx's followers.
                What is evil? Can it be defined other than by example?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cort Haus

                  What is evil? Can it be defined other than by example?
                  I'm not particularly up for a metaethical discussion today.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #24
                    Today I remember not just the destruction but the birth of my mother fore she was born this day in 1944, i recgonize this day, as a day of her birth in celebration, and one of despair. There is never a need to argue about this day
                    When you find yourself arguing with an idiot, you might want to rethink who the idiot really is.
                    "It can't rain all the time"-Eric Draven
                    Being dyslexic is hard work. I don't even try anymore.

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                    • #25
                      I didnt think about it being ''the anniversary'' until i opened this thread. time to move on
                      if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

                      ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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                      • #26
                        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                        "Capitalism ho!"

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                        • #27
                          I think everybody remembers where they were when the attack happened.


                          Something I was thinking about today, is I am not sure if the attack was historically important or not, has everything changed after 9/11 ?
                          I need a foot massage

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                          • #28
                            Never forget.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Barnabas
                              Something I was thinking about today, is I am not sure if the attack was historically important or not, has everything changed after 9/11 ?
                              "9/11 changed everything." --RoboCon
                              Do not question His wisdom!

                              Seriously, though, I would hardly deny its historical importance. It launched a series of wars, if nothing else. Its lasting impact I'm not too sure about. Being aspie, I'm somewhat emotionally disconnected from the crowd, but people seem to have stopped being nervous about terrorism now that they're POed at GWB. A bunch of asinine changes to airport security and publicity every time OBL sneezes is all the effect it has on our civilians.
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                              Pyrebound--a free online serial fantasy novel

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
                                time to move on
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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