Tories to clamp down on PC games

[Shrapnel12]

I'm for more responsible parenting and I'm against the government telliing us how to be parents or for parenting itself. Hillary and the Tories can KMA.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark



*Largely agrees with Ludd*

*goes into state of shock*

QFT on both points!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike


QFT on both points!

be careful if you venture into the RTW thread in OG. There is news there( unrelated to TW) , though perhaps it will not shock you.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Personally I think that certain violent games bring gaming in general into disrepute, and are harmful to games we love like Civ. But im in the distinct minority here on that, and with 3 seconds of mentioning that someone will be going on about nukes in civ, or starving cities out, and how thats much worse than having a kid RP someone holding a gun and shooting it at a cop

Go play the ****ing Sims then!!!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon


Go play the ****ing ims then!!!

Shhhh!

[Agathon]

Look, current governments are completely insane when it comes to rating things, so they should just keep out of it.

GTA wasn't originally rated as an adults only game, despite being replete with crime, prostitution, violence, drug use and murder. But once there were computer generated nude people having a good old shag, it suddenly merited the higher rating.

Let me guess, the worst results of the former acts are death, injury, social disintegration, and addiction; but the worst results of the latter might be some spooge stains and perhaps the bringing of new life into the world.

Censorship is completely ****ed up when kids are allowed to watch people blow other people up on a regular basis, but watching people blow other people is some major taboo.

****ing tory scum and their sexual neuroses...

[kittenOFchaos]

Kids shooting other kids is 100% not to do with computer games in the UK. It is to do with bad parents, who themselves probably had bad parents, the scum that will sell guns to kids and lack of policing on the streets - stopping and searching people for weaponary, especially in dodgy areas.

Well, slap your restrictions on Cameron, kids are worse than most polytoners and don't BUY computer games, but download them, bypassing all rating restrictions and committing theft at the same time.

- Descends from moral high ground.

[DinoDoc]

I think I missed this one earlier.

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Or are you suggesting that placing MORE burdens on parents to fight the junk culture is what encourages parental responsibility, kind of the way laisses faire is good for character? Heck, lets ban ESRB ratings then, that wil FORCE parents to REALLY check what their kids are playing. Hell, lets be thankful to the purveyors of violent and semi-pornographic entertainment in general, since without them, parents would get lazy, and could spend more time engage in positive interactions with their kids, and less time saying "no". After all, its the saying no, that builds character, right? Makes parents tough, right? Instead of all that liberal huggy wuggy stuff. So lets give Rockstar and Snoopy Dogg Dogg (or whomever) Kennedy Center awards.

I really hope you're not talking about yourself here otherwise I'd hate to think about all those opportunities to teach PotM discipline being wasted and how much of a terror such a child would be for others. The responsibility of teaching thier children the meaning and value of the word "no" is one the parent(s) take one by the fact they decide to raise thier children. Parents aren't there to be thier child's friend rather to set the boundaries they need to function in the adult world. This doesn't require banning the ratings system (and in fact may require standardizing them to make the parent's job easier) but a more judicious use of the word no and not just handing the child money and telling little Johnny to get what he wants while the parents are shopping.

[Blake]

This is retarded.

Longer post not needed.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I think I missed this one earlier.
I really hope you're not talking about yourself here otherwise I'd hate to think about all those opportunities to teach PotM discipline being wasted and how much of a terror such a child would be for others.

We said no when we had to, but mainly taught her to thing about others and their feelings. I dont mean to brag, but shes one of the politest young people we know, though of course shes a teen and can be rebellious, but in ways I think are perfectly reasonable. She is not indulged, but all the same I dont think additional sources of conflict are needed either.

and thats all I have to say. I really dont think my own child raising needs to be a topic.

[lord of the mark]

but one last thing first - the really ironic thing is that a certain poster who doesnt post here anymore insisted, also without having met me or my child, that I was an awful controlling parent, whos child would inevitably rebel as a result. Now Im being told that Im too free and easy a liberal parent.

basically if youre a parent you cant win. Everyone has to take out on you everything from their political issues with liberty, to their resentments about their own parents.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by C0ckney


i think this part is more relevant and certainly far more interesting, if you wish to discuss social problems in the UK.

We're perfectly happy focussing on the worst of the dumb stuff Cameron suggests, thanks all the same. If we get bored with the PC games point, we'll move onto his suggestion for tackling prison overcrowding by putting more prisoners in cells.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
If we get bored with the PC games point, we'll move onto his suggestion for tackling prison overcrowding by putting more prisoners in cells.

These would presumably the same cells that the Victorians deemed the smallest acceptable space for one inhabitant, and now have several?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Id much rather discuss social policy in Georgian London.

Im not sure whether 'Gin Lane' was soley about Gin, or the wider situation. It was based on the notorious St Giles 'Rookery' in London which I believe had been a hell-hole even before the Gin craze. Gin was as much a symptom as a cause of the problems.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


Im not sure whether 'Gin Lane' was soley about Gin, or the wider situation. It was based on the notorious St Giles 'Rookery' in London which I believe had been a hell-hole even before the Gin craze. Gin was as much a symptom as a cause of the problems.

didnt Hogarth do a parallel piece called "beer alley" or something, which was a stark contrast? Wouldn't the titles of the two suggest that he considered gin very much a cause?

"The engraving is accompanied by these lines of verse, espousing the sinfulness of gin drinking;

Gin, cursed Fiend, with Fury fraught,
Makes human Race a Prey.
It enters by a deadly Draught
And steal our Life away.
Virtue and Truth, driv'n to Despair
Its Rage compells to fly,
But cherishes with hellish Care
Theft, Murder, Perjury.
Damned Cup! that on the Vitals preys
That liquid Fire contains,
Which Madness to the heart conveys,
And rolls it thro' the Veins. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street

"Beer, happy Produce of our Isle
Can sinewy Strength impart,
And wearied with Fatigue and Toil
Can cheer each manly Heart.
Labour and Art upheld by Thee
Successfully advance,
We quaff Thy balmy Juice with Glee
And Water leave to France.
Genius of Health, thy grateful Taste
Rivals the Cup of Jove,
And warms each English generous Breast
With Liberty and Love!."