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Originally posted by Sandman
Yeah, but circumcised men need lube to masturbate. Or am I listening to too many playground rumours?
True in a lot of cases. It makes those impromptu alley way fumbles a lot more awkward.
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Who gains from this? Obviously not the women, but what about the men? Why would any man prefer a woman who passed such a surgery over a woman who didn't?
And if no one gains from it, why doesn't this barbarism stop?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Yeah, but circumcised men need lube to masturbate. Or am I listening to too many playground rumours?
Oh ya, that makes it so much more horrible then female circumcision!
Asheem, thanks for the warning about the article. I wish I had listened to you. I had to quit almost halfway through. That was horrible and if there is a hell, I'd like to be there to see those people burn in it. Cultural differences be damned.
Originally posted by General Ludd
Says the israeli.
Isn't it a jewish custom to mutilate male genitals?
You compare trimming a fingernail with tearing out the entire nail? Yes, circumcision is genital mutilation, but it's nowhere close to what's described in the OP.
DinoDoc:
How exactly do the males gain from it? Just the thought of having sex with someone who needs to be infibulated (or whatever it's called, it's the first time I hear this word) makes we want to run into a monastery.
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Originally posted by Eli
How exactly do the males gain from it?
I was responding to teh General Ludd.
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For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Who gains from this? Obviously not the women, but what about the men? Why would any man prefer a woman who passed such a surgery over a woman who didn't?
And if no one gains from it, why doesn't this barbarism stop?
Pharaonic circumcision and infibulation is regarded as the only one hundred percent effective way to safeguard a girl's virginity.
If sex (and maybe after her first sex the pure thought of it) causes the woman only pain and no pleasure at all anymore, it is less likely that she want to have it with another man (well, I assume she would also prefer to not even have it with her own husband).
So for men who don´t see the women as equals but as their possession (and maybe as pets or subhumans) it might be an acceptable way (and is obviously so ingrained into the culture of some tribes, that even the women don´t think anything about doing this to their daughters, but instead even see women who haven´t undergone such a procedure as whores)
Maybe the beginnings have to do with the widespread belief (in the distant past) that women do silly things that get them straight into hell (just think of the Adam & Eva story) and therefore have to be kept under tight control (by men) for their own good.
Last edited by Proteus_MST; August 27, 2007, 16:51.
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Who gains from this? Obviously not the women, but what about the men? Why would any man prefer a woman who passed such a surgery over a woman who didn't?
And if no one gains from it, why doesn't this barbarism stop?
Like Proteus said: when sex hurts, women don't cheat. And bear in mind that cultural differences can make all sorts of deranged things sexy. I'm thinking of Chinese foot-binding here. Who wants a woman with little hooves like a pig's?
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