Stupid Canadian Cops Busted Trying To Incite Protest Riot

[Kidlicious]

You can do what you want with it.

btw, I've utilized police services in the past, and I'm glad they are there. The police have usually done a pretty good job, and I know their job is very difficult. Just in case that is unclear to anyone.

[notyoueither]

Should we treat your testament the way you treated Flubber's?

Laugh at it? Laugh at you?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Should we treat your testament the way you treated Flubber's?

Laugh at it? Laugh at you?

What about your testament? You claimed that the union organizer was picking a fight. That gave me a good laugh.

[notyoueither]

You've lost the plot, son.

Not a huge surprise.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You've lost the plot, son.

Not a huge surprise.

That happens when the book sucks.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Hey just for fun I invite you to take this test. I don't expect the results to tell the whole story. I'm never sure which of the 5 choices to choose myself. But I took the test and I'm a "liberal airhead." Not as much as a rebel as I see myself as.

If anyone else wants to take it they can.



The F scale

I took it. It was good for a laugh. It may horrify you to know that I was also a "liberal airhead"-- score of 2.4333 The blatant bigotry implicit in most of the questions is actually a bit repulsive. Add that to the black and white absolutism of most of the questions and its truly a test thats 50 years out of date-- just like your ideology


OH and most of the questions, I had no problem deciding on an answer. But its not that good a test on authoritarianism .


Consider this question for instance

Nowadays when so many different kinds of people move around and mix together so much, a person has to protect himself especially carefully against catching an infection or disease from them.

I disagreed strongly but this measures racism not respect for authority

Or this question

] Every person should have complete faith in some supernatural power whose decisions he obeys without question.

Since I see atheism and agnosticism as completely valid choices and don't do ANYTHING without question, I again disagreed strongly. But an atheist could be authoritarian with respect to a government he recognizes so again a very poor question

[8] What this country needs most, more than laws and political programs, is a few courageous, tireless, devoted leaders in whom the people can put their faith.

I believe in democracy and as a lawyer I do believe in the rule of law, even though sometimes legislatures get it wrong IMHO. I FEAR those charismatic leaders and wants laws and oppositions to keep them honest. I hate Alberta politics for the very reason that the opposition parties were too weak and fractured to present anything approaching a realistic alternative

So again disagree strongly but this again is a poor question.

16] Homosexuals are hardly better than criminals and ought to be severely punished.

So a gay man could not be authoritarian? Or you must be a homophobe?? This test is definitely showing its age

This crappy survey plays into all the sterotypes in the most obvious way. "Respecting authority " seems to involve racism, homophobia, class snobbery, strict religious adherence and mindless acquiesence.

Now on a better test that actually measured respect for and compliance with the legally and democratically constituted authorities, I would most likely rank more compliant than you. My self assessment would put me right in the middle of the Canadian population.


If you think this test really measures anything, that says more about you than the test does. I sincerely hope you just tossed this out there for giggles.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
I took it. It was good for a laugh. It may horrify you to know that I was also a "liberal airhead"-- score of 2.4333

I actually scored 2.1

The blatant bigotry implicit in most of the questions is actually a bit repulsive.

The test is designed to measure the probability that you are authoritarian. Employers give these types of tests all the time; not to measure the same thing, but they measure probability of your personality. That's why some of the questions seem strange. Psychologists have studied people who have this personality and discovered that they have things in common. So if you have those things in common also you likely have that personality.

Now on a better test that actually measured respect for and compliance with the legally and democratically constituted authorities, I would most likely rank more compliant than you. My self assessment would put me right in the middle of the Canadian population.

Now that I doubt judging from the way you see things regarding this issue with the undercover police. You seem much more eager to believe the police than most people I think. And most white people have a tendency to usually beleive the police story anyway.

Oh, and this question made me think of you. How did you answer?

[23] No weakness or difficulty can hold us back if we have enough will power.

[Kidlicious]

Oops, I could very well be wrong actually.

I don't see a poll, but I think it would show that most Canadians don't believe the police did anything wrong.

Here's an example of some of the things I read.

Eric

Montreal

"We have a right to engage in peaceful protest/demonstration, all of us."

Says who?

Also, you need to differentiate between a bunch of welfare cases protesting against the democratic system and causing trouble and a group of patriotic citizens holding a rally to support their country's soldiers.

You and your ilk do not support democracy. You only pretend that you do.

There's more of these people than reasonable people in the world. That's why democracy sucks. Protest "against govt action" is essential.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious



Now that I doubt judging from the way you see things regarding this issue with the undercover police. You seem much more eager to believe the police than most people I think. And most white people have a tendency to usually beleive the police story anyway.

Oh but as I have said repeatedly, I am not believing the police story either. I even said that if I had to choose on the strict balance of probabilities (ie a 51% liklihood) I would right now choose that the 3 police guys at some point intended something nefarious. I have no evidence whatsoever on what higher police authorities might have intended.

How that equates to "believing the police" seems odd to me. But since most of the actions people take as proof of bad intyent don't make a lot of sense, I continue to have some very reasonable doubts. The main one centres on ther idea that if I am a police officer and my cover has been blown so easily and thoroughly by the first black Blockers I meet, why in heck would I think my cover was good with another group of Blockers a few minutes later and attempt to actively encourage them to violence? Thats what you need to believe if the Blockers are to be believed. That seems to require a level of incompetence and stupidity on the part of the police that I find difficult to believe.


Ahh that question

No weakness or difficulty can hold us back if we have enough will power.

IIRC I was tempted to disagree strongly since I do not believe that will power would conquer cancer or suffering a horrifying accident that made you a quadrapelic with a brain injury. Those are "difficulties" that would hold back anyone and the question is again posed as an absolute so if one can perceive of ANY difficulty that can hold a person back even in the face of massive willpower, I think you have to disagree.

BUT since I know that this is a personality profile, I tried to get past the weakness in the question methodology. Since I do believe that with determination and will power a person can overcome MOST difficulties, I chose the 4th box indicating agree somewhat. I couldn't go stronger because there are many difficulties that will power alone cannot overcome but I thought agreeing best suited my views on the idea that in most cases a person's own efforts can overcome most difficulties.

OH and it took me a hundred times as long to explain that than it did to do it when I took the test.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
That seems to require a level of incompetence and stupidity on the part of the police that I find difficult to believe.

Why can't a few police be that incompetent, even just 1 or 3 of them?

Anyway, you are much more reasonable than most people, so I will retract my statement.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious
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Here's an example of some of the things I read.

Also, you need to differentiate between a bunch of welfare cases protesting against the democratic system and causing trouble and a group of patriotic citizens holding a rally to support their country's soldiers.

Yup -- I find that idiotic-- I don't care why a group is protesting-- If they can do so peacefully, I see absolutely no need to differentiate among them.

I like democracy and one of the things I like most is the ability to speak freely about that with which you disagree

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Why can't a few police be that incompetent, even just 1 or 3 of them?

They can. Its just that once you start assuming a very incompetent and stupid course of behavior, all the facts could fit within either an extremely mismanaged attempt to incite OR an extremely mismanaged undercover information gathering operation. Once we start assuming that people are acting very stupidly it is very difficult to infer intent from those actions

People keep on citing that the guy continued to hold the rock. Since he didn't intend to start something violent right then as is evidenced by the fact that he did not start something violent then, why hold the rock? It seems a stupid thing to do. But then again, if he had dropped the rock then, it wouldn't have meant anything anyway. He could have wanted to start a riot but then decided not to when his cover was blown with press and cameras present . . .Or he could have dropped it since its usefulness as a prop was over when his cover was blown.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
They can. Its just that once you start assuming a very incompetent and stupid course of behavior, all the facts could fit within either and extremely mismanaged attempt to incite OR an extremely mismanaged undrcover information gathering operation. Once we start assuming that people are acting very stupidly it is very difficult to infer intent from those actins

If we think like police officers themselves I think we should suspect that they are guilty of more than incompetence. I could be wrong, but when police officers knows that someone is 1) lying and 2) looks stupid, they suspect them and investigate further.

edit: replaced assume with suspect.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


If we think like police officers themselves I think we should suspect that they are guilty of more than incompetence. I could be wrong, but when police officers knows that someone is 1) lying and 2) looks stupid, they suspect them and investigate further.

I more than suspect them. I just have not gotten to the point that I find an undercover operation to be implausible

[Kidlicious]

What about the rock in the other ones pocket? Sure it could be something else, but it doesn't look comfortable in his pocket. It looks like he had a hard time getting it in there. It doesn't look comfortable.