Apple brings back the PC jr keyboard to life (or the new iMac thread)

[DaShi]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Honestly, I think the main issue here (in this thread) is similar to the atheism/religion issue elsewhere.

You have the religious nuts [mac nuts], who are in the minority on this forum and are considered whackos by many of the forumites.

On the other hand you have the atheists [anti-mac], who are much more numerous and therefore consider themselves to be the majority.

But, as my GF says... atheists are religious nuts themselves, just of the "no" god. In the same way, this thread is largely Mac nuts (Agathon) versus anti-Mac nuts (nikolai, etc.). What y'all don't realize is you're both equally extreme in your own way. The fact that there are a lot of anti-mac nuts on this board doesn't make that viewpoint any less of an extreme view...

Overall, the iMac is a computer that is appropriate for some people and not for others. The set of "not" largely includes computer geeks and people who need a lot of performance, as well as people who feel comfortable customizing their computers. Oddly enough that takes away the majority of the users of this forum

However I would remind you that there are millions - hundreds of millions - of people who don't feel comfortable customizing their computer, even so far as using dell's website, because they're overwhelmed by the decisions and feel that they'll make the wrong decisions [even when there's no wrong answer for most of them]. These people need a prebuilt computer that is straightforward, works straight out of the box, and still is a reasonable value.

Again like I said above... Walk into best buy. Find me a computer that combines the quality of Apple parts [which is unarguably very high] with the price/performance of the iMac, in a prebuilt, walk home with it computer.

You won't be able to, at least not at regular price... This is why the iMac is a successful device, and one of apple's better decisions. I don't know if this one will be successful, but I suspect it will be.

So you're saying there is no God. Prove it!

[Master Zen]

The funny thing is that he "won" the previous price argument only because of Dell's absurdly ridiculous power supply prices ($470 for upgrading a 750W to a 1000W). Considering that a 750W was more than enough for the specs we were comparing and that a 1000W had no extra effect whatsoever on performance and features I find Apple's price advantage not exactly overwhelming.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Agathon
Many people who own a computer aren't even aware that there is such a thing as an operting system (I guess you won't believe that, but a survey this week demonstrated that 30-40% of Xbox 360 and PS3 owners were unaware of key features, including Blu Ray).

WTF does a PC have to do with an Xbox 360 and a PS3???

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by DaShi
So you're saying there is no God. Prove it!

I assert that for the same reason a million dollars couldn't possibly exist, neither can God. Prove me wrong!

[Verto]

Originally posted by Master Zen


WTF does a PC have to do with an Xbox 360 and a PS3???

It's just an example to show that people don't necessarily know about all the features of their electronics, be it music player, computer, console, etc.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Your problem, and the problem of almost everyone on this board is that you have no conception of how regular people view computers.

Ah yes.. the famous Mac user condescension. Cause we don't have parents or friends who are not computer savvy (or even literate).

He was not being condescending. He's right; nerds on an internet forum know what a 8600 GTS is. Most people buying machines for home do not know **** about anything like this.

And the claiming of victory is also cute. But go along on the Mac user fantasy that they've pwned Windows while clinging to a barely 5% marketshare (and I guess I'll also claim victory... Hell, why not? It's the thing to do apparently).

High-end luxury cars do not have anywhere near the marketshare of standard SUVs or compacts in America, but this is not a good argument for one being better than another.

Macs are less popular, but a few people decide that the Apple image, the look of the computer, the security, and the price are reasonable.

If you want to get into a debate about which operating system is more feasible for networks, businesses, or gaming, don't bother. Like Verto said, some people don't game. Some people only want email and word processing and quick features like web site design built-in.

If they want to spend $1100 on an aluminum iMac that they find sexy, and pass up a bulky $600 Dell box that is vulnerable to more spyware, so be it.

This debate. Is so ****ing. Annoying. I'm stopping.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Verto
It's just an example to show that people don't necessarily know about all the features of their electronics, be it music player, computer, console, etc.

So what's next, compare a PC with a digital alarm clock?

[Wiglaf]

Are you kidding?

[Master Zen]

No but apparently you are.

[Wiglaf]

What?

His point is that people are not as tech savvy as you might think. He cites consoles as examples of computing hardware most people don't even understand.

It is not a complicated statement, nor is it in any way unreasonable.

[Master Zen]

I'm not saying every person is tech savvy. In fact, I agree with his point in that regard. But what the f*ck does an XBox have to do with that? If you're going to prove that many PC users don't know what the OS is, then use a poll which shows that many PC users don't know what the OS is or something remotely equivalent. I don't know half the features of my alarm clock... I guess I'm not tech saavy and don't know what an OS is.

Common sense. It's not rocket science.

[Verto]

I think it's easy to understand the message he's trying to get across.

[Nikolai]

I just found an article on the new pics of Leopard that has surfaced. Can be found here. Man, whatever gripes I might have with Apple and Mac, those pics are just gorgeous.

[Nostromo]

You never saw OS X?

Anyway, I saw the iMac in person and its a looker. The keyboard isn't as bad as I feared, either.

[Nikolai]

Never used it. Seen it a few times. Still looks good.