About Steve Jobs and his fear of buttons

[snoopy369]

This is probably the black iBook that was discussed earlier. You will note that DaShi did correct himself as to it being an iBook not an iMac (although the iMac does come in graphite also). Graphite is translucent black, as far as I'm concerned, so that's perfectly reasonable for someone talking in imprecise terms anyway

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Graphite is translucent black, as far as I'm concerned, so that's perfectly reasonable for someone talking in imprecise terms anyway

Except you're arguing colors with someone who is the exact opposite of reasonable.

[snoopy369]

I'll try not to argue with you next time, MZ...

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Agathon
I looked and I couldn't find that machine.

Dell's site is a nightmare, but I've been looking for 15 minutes now, and I can't find this cheap machine.

Took me exactly 10 seconds to find it and I haven't been into the Dell site in years.

You truly are pathetic, trying to win an argument using the "I can't find it so it doesn't count" resort (not that it's any surprising coming from you of all people). Then trying to score another point in favor of Apple by saying the Dell site is a mess just because you can't navigate in it.

I really missed these discussions.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/workstations?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Agathon
So grey is now the same as black.

Next time I go order a car painted in black, I should expect it to be in mid to dark grey.

Honestly...

It's a friggin computer Agathon, not a car nor is it an interior decorating paint shop. Then again, considering that Macs make good furniture at best, maybe it is...

/me thinks 99% of people who bought "graphite" iMacs or iBooks told the guy in the store "Give me the black one".

Let me explain this to you very slowly. There is a big difference between do and can. For example, anyone can have homosexual sex, but hardly anyone does. Similarly, anyone can pop a new hard drive in their computer (even an iMac), but hardly anyone does.

So basically, it doesn't matter the Mac Pro is underpowered in RAM since most people will upgrade ("will" is your word btw). Yet you argue that most people don't upgrade. So the "can" argument is irrelevant. Thus, under your logic, since most people don't upgrade regardless if they can, then 1 GB is too little.

It depends. You can get a really cheap computer from Dell, which is rubbish. You can also occasionally get voucher discounts on medium price Dell models which make them cheaper.

But if you honestly spec out a Dell with the best equivalent you can get on a Mac, the price differential is normally not that much different. It's absolutely amazing how much cheaper a Dell can be when you fail to include the cost of a professional class OS, bundled software, and other things that come standard with Apple computers.

So in your mind the fact that OSX is better than Vista makes the price differential of a Mac justifiable. As for "standard" software, that's BS. All software which is "included" is reflected in the price one way or another. Nothing is ever free.

What's your point here? What does this have to do with the fact that the standard graphics card on a Mac Pro is perfectly fine for running most of the apps it is designed to run?

Is this non-sequitur for charity week or something?

YOU are the one who said "The Mac Pro is ridiculously overpowered for gaming". Now do me a favor and justify that statement when it only has 1 GB of RAM and a GeForce 7300. That's all I'm asking although it seemingly is too much for you.

Gee whiz... I'm going to buy an 8 core Mac Pro and then max it out with 16 gigabytes of RAM, and then I am going to play games on it. What sane person would do that?

So now you're strawman-ing 16 GB of RAM... right. Before you strawman yourself even more I'd like to remind you that the Mac Pro we've been talking about all along is a 4 core. How convenient of you to up the ante to suit your ever more ridiculous argument.

And yes, I know a lot of people who 4 core for gaming. Nothing unreasonable for that.

Obviously not by you. Your last post is appalling, even by your low standards.

All the trash talk in the world isn't going to get you out of the hole you dug.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by snoopy369


This is probably the black iBook that was discussed earlier. You will note that DaShi did correct himself as to it being an iBook not an iMac (although the iMac does come in graphite also). Graphite is translucent black, as far as I'm concerned, so that's perfectly reasonable for someone talking in imprecise terms anyway

Here's the one I was talking about:

[Zopperoni]

Aha, then there's a performance factor as well. The black MacBook is the best and most expensive one, so it's still a bit of an upgrade, even though I suspect she wouldn't have noticed much difference

[Nostromo]

I'd buy the black one also. White is too girlie for my taste. But I'm not sure about the new keyboard on these things...

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Zopperoni
Aha, then there's a performance factor as well. The black MacBook is the best and most expensive one, so it's still a bit of an upgrade, even though I suspect she wouldn't have noticed much difference

Well, she has both now.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You can put the single crappiest Quad Core Xeon in the cheapest 690, but it will be slower, since the processor speed is less than the two dual core Xeons in the cheapest Mac Pro. I'm guessing that's what you did, but that was disingenuous. If you add the Quad Xeon after that it is more expensive than the Mac Pro.

And if you put a 2.33 Ghz Quad Core, then it's far more than 2 2.0 Ghz Dual Cores, isn't it?

Try... going to Dell's site, then Desktop, then Small Business... you just mayyy find it then.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Try... going to Dell's site, then Desktop, then Small Business... you just mayyy find it then.

Watch him try to weasel his way out of it by arguing that it does not belong in the Small Business section, bla bla bla

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by nostromo
I'd buy the black one also. White is too girlie for my taste. But I'm not sure about the new keyboard on these things...

So would I, unless I already had the white one.

ACK!

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

You can put the single crappiest Quad Core Xeon in the cheapest 690, but it will be slower, since the processor speed is less than the two dual core Xeons in the cheapest Mac Pro. I'm guessing that's what you did, but that was disingenuous. If you add the Quad Xeon after that it is more expensive than the Mac Pro.

And if you put a 2.33 Ghz Quad Core, then it's far more than 2 2.0 Ghz Dual Cores, isn't it?

Try... going to Dell's site, then Desktop, then Small Business... you just mayyy find it then.

Um... thanks for playing. You add in the 2.33Mhz Quad Core, and it becomes far more expensive than the Mac Pro.

[edit]To make things clear, I thought you were speccing a dual processor machine. You weren't. What you did, was spec a clearly inferior machine with 1 slower Quad Core instead of two quicker dual cores. I did however find the machine you were referring to, but it was clearly inferior and I did you the honor of not supposing you meant that one. I even mentioned it in my post. Perhaps you read it.

Remember to compare Apples with Apples and put it in the 1kw Precision Workstation. With Windows Vista, that comes to $3100. Even if you put the cheaper one in (which is not as good as the Mac Pro), it is still more expensive at $2600.

And all this is before you try to match the Software bundle on the Mac Pro.

What you were doing is putting the stuff in a computer with a lesser power supply.

Thanks and do come again.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by snoopy369


This is probably the black iBook that was discussed earlier. You will note that DaShi did correct himself as to it being an iBook not an iMac (although the iMac does come in graphite also). Graphite is translucent black, as far as I'm concerned, so that's perfectly reasonable for someone talking in imprecise terms anyway

No it isn't. For Apple, graphite is primarily a colour scheme available in Mac OS X. The other one is Blue (which is the default).

Apple has made black computers before. The Powerbook G3 came in black, and the Macbook comes in black. The 20th anniversary Macintosh was also black. They've never made a black iMac. You don't see Apple advertising the black Macbook as Graphite, because black and graphite are different colours.

Here's a picture of Graphite. If you think that the buttons and Apple logo look black, then you need an eye exam.

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Agathon

And all this is before you try to match the Software bundle on the Mac Pro.

What software bundle? It comes with the OS and that's it. Everything else is an extra.