French loosers defend Hezbullah terrorist leaders

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


Not if you want to sweep things under the carpet there isn't...

Im sorry if you think Im sweeping Arafat's actions under the rug, but they simply aren't relevant to the question at hand.

Someone asked why we cant have a serious discussion ME news here. This is why. Siro says something about France and Hezbolllah. GePap responds. Siro responds to GePap, and GePap responds back. Two posters actually discussing the news of the day, amazingly enough. Then it starts to go off track, to events of 1974, and then of 1946. And if you try to get back to the original discussion, or discuss other events from, you know, 2007, you're told its sweeping things under the rug.

[TheStinger]

You can't discuss the ME without reference to the history.

Thats the problem with the whole sorry mess- long memories of promises forgotten, shady deals, acts of violence, wars etc

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by TheStinger
You can't discuss the ME without reference to the history.

sometimes yes, sometimes no.

In this instance, the question of "was Arafat just like Begin" is irrelevant, as the parallel of Arafats visit to NYC to the Hezb's vist to France is inapt, Arafat not having been invited by the US, but by the UN.

I think that more often than not, folks go on about the history simply cause they dont follow the present news that news that closely, and they find it more fun to go over, for the millionth time, the moral comparability of the King David bombing to Arafats actions, than to actually analyze say, Franco-Israeli relations since the election of Sarkozy.

[MOBIUS]

Well, it does after all go back to the wholesale Zionist invasion/colonisation in the first place if you want to go that far back. Followed by their terrorist practices when they didn't get their way - can you blame Arafat for copying what was obviously a successful tactic?

[MOBIUS]

If you want to place this back into the present day...

Israel obviously hasn't changed from its terrorist roots, if it honestly feels it can get away with this kind of contemptible action - assuming the report in the OP is true, which on past performance I am entirely happy to believe.

[Arrian]

Why stop there? Keep going back. Back, back, back, back...

And never forward.

-Arrian

[MOBIUS]

It was the aggressive colonisation of the Zionists that precipitated the current situation - we don't need to go back any further.

[Arrian]

No, of course not. That would muddle your crystal-clear viewpoint.

No need, also, to consider the actions of the Arabs during that period. They were saints.

Nobody in this mess has clean hands. In fact, pretty much everybody's hands are dirty as hell. Israel/proto-Israel, the Palestinians, the various Arab states, the UN/great powers...

France is hosting people Israel sees as enemies. Siro doesn't like it. Duh. France has a right to do it. Duh. Israel shouldn't be kidnapping them, also duh. The news story from a Kuwaiti newspaper may not be entirely credible... huge duh. It's the ME. Nothing is clear.

-Arrian

[TheStinger]

I agree with Arian

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Well, it does after all go back to the wholesale Zionist invasion/colonisation in the first place if you want to go that far back.

I think it all goes back to the conflict between Britons and Anglo-saxons, and the resulting development of Welsh society. Dont you agree?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
What they should be doing, is arresting anyone in relation with Hizbullah.

Surely what a sovereign, democratic nation should be doing is up to the people of that nation. While Hezbollah members are on French soil, it's up to the French whether or not to arrest them, or take any other action against them. End of story. The French aren't defending anyone, though they are allowing them a contraversial platform to speak.

[lord of the mark]

Heres an interesting article on the conference, and the Leb political context

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/883366.html

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Drogue

Surely what a sovereign, democratic nation should be doing is up to the people of that nation. While Hezbollah members are on French soil, it's up to the French whether or not to arrest them, or take any other action against them. End of story.

What a sovereign country has a legal right to do is up to the govt of that nation. I think anyone can make a judgement about what they "should" do.

[Patroklos]

It was the aggressive colonisation of the Zionists that precipitated the current situation - we don't need to go back any further.

I don't see the Apache bombing cafes anywhere. Thats becasue they have class.

The Palestinians got their asses kicked, as simple as that. They even had their buddies come and rematched like what, four times now? Same result. Time to get over it and move on.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by TheStinger
He did seem to have a legitimate aim though, a bit like those Israelis who murederd the British in that Hotel Bombing

You mean, that hotel that was a british army central command post in Israel?

You mean that event, where the hotel was called up 30 minutes in advance, told of the bomb and asked to clear it of people? a warning which the brits promptly ignored...

You mean that group of Israelis, that Ben Gurion cracked down on?