"Unconquered" nations

[LordShiva]

A White Russian conquered and ruled Mongolia before the Soviets drove him out.

[GePap]

Well, Adalbertus already brought up the point of defining nation, and I think I an bringing up the point of defining conquest. Maybe the Chinese, Manchu, and Russians claimed soveringty over Mongol lands, but did they have control over Mongol life? Cause those tribes don't seem to have been too affected by these claims of land ownership.

And of course, what about what Slade Wilson said, which is correct, isnce its inception as an independent self-governing state, the United states has never seen foreign rule, though neither have Canda, Australia, or New Zealand. then of course, you get states like BRazil, or Indonesia, which have also never seen foreing control since their inception, but what does that mean, and do they even constitute "nations"?

[TheStinger]

Well the answer certainly isn't France

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by GePap

Maybe the Chinese, Manchu, and Russians claimed soveringty over Mongol lands, but did they have control over Mongol life? Cause those tribes don't seem to have been too affected by these claims of land ownership.

To the extent that the Manchu Empire grew tired of the Mongol Dzungars and wiped them out, yes.



The homelands of the Mongols were eventually divided between the Manchus and the Tsarist Russian Empire, with the Russians gradually encroaching more and more on old Mongol lands and Manchu holdings as the Manchu Dynasty dwindled in power in the 19th Century.

http://www.cominganarchy.com/wordpress/wp-content/old_uploads/AsiaColonization_map_01.jpg

[Hueij]

Most of the "new" post-colonial nations (Africa, The Caribbean) were never conquered. Screwed by the Free West or the USSR, sure, but never conquered.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I think there could be a case for claiming that being defeated/colonised might have actually aided a number of nations by stripping out complacent and decadent aristocracies/plutocracies and creating space for more dynamic growth. India is a good example- an emerging superpower.

[Kuciwalker]

Was it really that effective at destroying the caste system? I thought India still had lingering problems with it.

[One_more_turn]

Globalization is making a world ever flatter. Differences between cultures are diminishing fast, but lots of local flavors still remain.

[Heresson]

Also, is this question applicable to nomads like Berbers or Bedouins? (and I guess, the Mongols)

Berbers were subdued partly by Romans, and entirely by Islam. Well, they joined, but not after a heavy fight. Bedouins were subdued by islam too, and different parts of them by other mights.

Originally posted by LordShiva

qtf

Originally posted by Slade Wilson
United States was never conquered and mostly won its wars AFAIK

because it is new. Southern states were conquered anyway.

I think the question depends of internal conquest.
I mean, Constantinople was never conquered until IV crusade, right? Wrong, if you count civil wars.
Egypt remained in muslim hands until Napoleon. Sure, it was conquered a couple of times: liberated by Abbasids (not quite conquest), conquered by Fatimids (again, partly thanks to a deal and the administration remained largely unchanged), by Ayyubids (again, Saladin started officially as a visier of Fatimids, though supported from abroad, so it was not complete overthrow, mamluks were internal force, Turks left the country to mamluks to a large extent... and Napoleon's conquest was temporary etc.

[Kuciwalker]

Japan? I don't know if simply being occupied, with the intent to return it to self-government, counts as being "conquered."

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Japan? I don't know if simply being occupied, with the intent to return it to self-government, counts as being "conquered."

Teh Ainu were conquered

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Switzerland?

the french attacked them (in 1799 IIRC) and later set up the 'helvetian republic' as a puppet state.

[LordShiva]

Teh Romans conquered them, too.

[molly bloom]

Swiss cantons were also parts of the Holy Roman Empire and Duchy of Burgundy too, and of Savoy.

[Colonâ„¢]

Afghanistan?