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Originally posted by General Ludd
Homogenous crops
GM
Local plants
local food
Diversity of genes
Diversity of food
People starving
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AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF
...just go to a farmer's market, for crying out loud. If people were serious about stopping global warming they'd start buying local foods in season instead of these resorting to ridiculously convoluted schemes to get around nature. They aren't, of course, so they'll genetically modify vegetables to taste good even after they've been hauled across the country in a (hybrid?) eighteen-wheeler.
Good tomatoes, like good corn and grilled meat, just give us something to look forward to each summer. If you absolutely can't wait, there's a fellow at our local FM who grows tomatoes in his greenhouse year-round. They're not quite fresh summer quality, but they're better than store-bought by a long shot. Get some local produce.
Originally posted by Oerdin The rest of the world will happily advance and leave the EU behind.
You mean unlike those ungrateful African nations that refuse to get supplied with GM crops?
But don't get me wrong, I'm not fundamentally against GM food "just because" (like General Ludd seems to do) - this tomato e.g. seems rather harmless to me at a first look.
I just find the unconditional support of GM food "just because" equally disturbing as a fundamental opposition to it, or actually more disturbing because the possible harm done by wrong applied GM crops/food is much greater than the possible harm of a fundamental "NO".
"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
"It's all a secret plan of the j00z. The tomatoes are all poisoned with mindcontrol drugs that will make you listen to barbara streisand" ( Homobomb FTW lol )
Aside from all other discussion: I know of 2 failed attempts to establish GM tomatoes on the market, and IIRC, there are no GM tomatoes on the European market at all, I'm not sure about the US, but despite early attempts, it seems there was no breakthrough until now - we'll see what happens with the new one.
Well yes that is what I was saying... and because previous attempts failed, I doubt that these new GM tomatoes will have any better luck.
Originally posted by Japher
Yeah... The EU can have their stem cells and we'll take killer tomatos!
Bush has certainly ****ed America on steam cell research. States like California can help advance American science via their funding of stem cell research but without the billions in Federal research dollars we will fall behind Asia and Europe. As a result the big blockbuster therapies will come from those parts of the world and US stock holders will be left out of that profit bonanza.
Originally posted by General Ludd
Homogenous crops
GM
Local plants
local food
Diversity of genes
Diversity of food
Local food is good as is genetic diversity. The problem is when protectionists attempt to regulate the competition out of business instead of trying to win in the market place of ideas. It sounds like you and the RIAA have something in common.
Originally posted by Elok
...just go to a farmer's market, for crying out loud. If people were serious about stopping global warming they'd start buying local foods in season instead of these resorting to ridiculously convoluted schemes to get around nature.
I like your enthusiasm but you've got your facts muggled up. The biggest portion of our GHG output is from basic electricity production and heating. Going after where food is produced helps but only a little. It's like a guy who's spending hundreds of dollars a week to much but who thinks he'll balance his budget but no longer buying $0.25 worth of bubble gum a day. You need to go after the big expenses if you want to see big changes.
Local food is good as is genetic diversity. The problem is when protectionists attempt to regulate the competition out of business instead of trying to win in the market place of ideas. It sounds like you and the RIAA have something in common
THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF
The poor and hungry don't "win in the market place of ideas" Rather funny that Oerdin compares me to the RIAA while he talks about a market place of ideas.
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