GM technology improves tomatos.

[LordShiva]

The poor and hungry have been trying to subsist on local, organic food for centuries. It doesn't always turn out too well.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I like your enthusiasm but you've got your facts muggled up. The biggest portion of our GHG output is from basic electricity production and heating. Going after where food is produced helps but only a little. It's like a guy who's spending hundreds of dollars a week to much but who thinks he'll balance his budget but no longer buying $0.25 worth of bubble gum a day. You need to go after the big expenses if you want to see big changes.

I'm actually not all that bothered about GW, just appalled by the sensibilities some people have. It's far simpler to just buy the stuff locally in season, and I doubt genetic modification can make tomatoes shipped across the country as plump and juicy as real summer tomatoes. They're inferior foods (this goes double for those $%#@ "red delicious" apples), and we're essentially spraying cologne on dog crap with this GM deal. Genetic technology is too powerful, and has too much potential, to be wasted like this.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Zopperoni
When I read the thread title, I thought that GM tried to power their cars w/ tomatoes.

I was wondering myself what GM had to do with tomatoes.

Then I realised it was genetically modifying and started to think about Tomacco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomacco

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Elok


I'm actually not all that bothered about GW, just appalled by the sensibilities some people have. It's far simpler to just buy the stuff locally in season, and I doubt genetic modification can make tomatoes shipped across the country as plump and juicy as real summer tomatoes. They're inferior foods (this goes double for those $%#@ "red delicious" apples), and we're essentially spraying cologne on dog crap with this GM deal. Genetic technology is too powerful, and has too much potential, to be wasted like this.

It helps for people in those places where there really isn't that much growing locally in season.

[General Ludd]

If a place can't support people with local grown food, people should not be living there.

[LordShiva]

Don't you live in a city?

[Arrian]

Local = planet earth. There, sorted.

-Arrian

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Elok
I'm actually not all that bothered about GW, just appalled by the sensibilities some people have. It's far simpler to just buy the stuff locally in season, and I doubt genetic modification can make tomatoes shipped across the country as plump and juicy as real summer tomatoes. They're inferior foods (this goes double for those $%#@ "red delicious" apples), and we're essentially spraying cologne on dog crap with this GM deal. Genetic technology is too powerful, and has too much potential, to be wasted like this.

I like locally grown goods because I think it is good for the local economy and I have six heirloom tomato plants in my backyard (each is a different type). But the claim that commercial produce is dog crap with calogne on it just doesn't stand up. Study after study shows they're nutritious and that there is no difference between organic and traditionally farmed produce. The difference is all marketing a perception and not scientific.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by General Ludd
If a place can't support people with local grown food, people should not be living there.

So I take it you're going to vote to let in millions of dirt poor and uneducated Africans into the EU? Of course you're not. You're just going to follow the traditional rich white ******* approach by trying to rob them of the chance to end hunger in their home countries and not letting them leave. Screw that.

GM FOODS!

[Patroklos]

You're just going to follow the traditional rich white ******* approach by trying to rob them of the chance to end hunger in their home countries and not letting them leave.

They would have to stop breeding like rabbits and pretending there is anything important enough to fight over in Africa before that happens.

Of course since their soldiers are children, the first solves the second.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Don't you live in a city?

According to the UN half the world population will live in cities next year.

Ludd wants to kill half the world. OMG!@#!

[Elok]

...nutritionally, maybe. But you can't tell me that the crap they shovel out of the supermarket is anywhere near as good taste, texture or freshness-wise as the stuff my dad brings home from the farmer's market every weekend. My tongue still works, and I know that it's inferior. If your homegrown tomatoes taste the same as supermarket variety, you're doing something wrong.

BTW, I didn't say anything about "organic"; organic is meaningless to me. The advantage to locally-grown is that it's bred for flavor and not for being able to withstand getting trucked around for hundreds of miles. Also it's not frozen for transport and you can eat it more or less fresh off the plant. I don't care if you grow it with eight dozen kinds of pesticides and fertilizers provided it's a good variety and I can get it fresh.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Oerdin


So I take it you're going to vote to let in millions of dirt poor and uneducated Africans into the EU?

What the hell? :???:

Of course you're not. You're just going to follow the traditional rich white ******* approach by trying to rob them of the chance to end hunger in their home countries and not letting them leave. Screw that.

Africans would be able to feed themselves if they wheren't, and hadnt been, the slaves and peasant class that fuels western decadence. And where also prepared to adopt sustainable cultures, rather than trying to get their stake at the western model of wealth and stupidity.

According to the UN half the world population will live in cities next year.

It should be possible to build sustainable cities. We just aren't.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Africans would be able to feed themselves if they wheren't, and hadnt been, the slaves and peasant class that fuels western decadence. And where also prepared to adopt sustainable cultures, rather than trying to get their stake at the western model of wealth and stupidity.

QFT. Africa was a Utopian land of plenty before teh eevil Westerners showed up.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Elok

BTW, I didn't say anything about "organic"; organic is meaningless to me. The advantage to locally-grown is that it's bred for flavor and not for being able to withstand getting trucked around for hundreds of miles. Also it's not frozen for transport and you can eat it more or less fresh off the plant. I don't care if you grow it with eight dozen kinds of pesticides and fertilizers provided it's a good variety and I can get it fresh.

Back when "organic" actually ment something, locality was one of the prime factors.