Ban alcohol, ban porn, they can't handle it, damn immature teenag.... oh, Aborigines

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


A country run by intellectually challenged racist homophobes...?

Seems about the same to me.

So Poland has the equivalent of Sydney's Mardi Gras ?

I don't think so- that's why there's so many gay and lesbian Poles over here now.

We could also if we're discussing the history of racism in both Australia and Poland, also focus on the antisemitic measures of the pre-1939 regime in Poland, and little instances like the Kielce pogrom.

That, and post 1945 Jewish emigration from Poland, and the reasons why.

I don't pretend that Australia's history with regard to indigenous peoples has been perfect, nor was the restrictive immigration policy laudable, but let's not pretend that all of Australia was like Bjelke-Petersen's Queensland or that many Kooris haven't made a success of their lives.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Oerdin
If they think alcohol is so bad then ban it nation wide. Just don't say darky can't drink but the rest of us can.

Exactly.

Same thing with youth.





(and Caligastia, I'm not ignoring your question, I'll get to it later)

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by molly bloom


So Poland has the equivalent of Sydney's Mardi Gras ?

I don't think so- that's why there's so many gay and lesbian Poles over here now.

We could also if we're discussing the history of racism in both Australia and Poland, also focus on the antisemitic measures of the pre-1939 regime in Poland, and little instances like the Kielce pogrom.

That, and post 1945 Jewish emigration from Poland, and the reasons why.

I don't pretend that Australia's history with regard to indigenous peoples has been perfect, nor was the restrictive immigration policy laudable, but let's not pretend that all of Australia was like Bjelke-Petersen's Queensland or that many Kooris haven't made a success of their lives.

Incompetent intellectually challenged racist homophobes...?

[Heresson]

Originally posted by molly bloom
I don't think so- that's why there's so many gay and lesbian Poles over here now.

We could also if we're discussing the history of racism in both Australia and Poland, also focus on the antisemitic measures of the pre-1939 regime in Poland, and little instances like the Kielce pogrom.

That, and post 1945 Jewish emigration from Poland, and the reasons why.

I don't pretend that Australia's history with regard to indigenous peoples has been perfect, nor was the restrictive immigration policy laudable, but let's not pretend that all of Australia was like Bjelke-Petersen's Queensland or that many Kooris haven't made a success of their lives.

Antisemitic mesures were not introduced, but tolerated by 1935-9 regime. It was a short time. Kielce was after the war, which actually makes it worse. It was an incident anyway. The state is responsible for 1968. but this was not done by democratic gouverments, bah, march 1968 proved it is a ver unpopular regime.

And what is has to do with Aborigenes?

You recall me a joke about soviet supercomputer, which, asked by Americans about totalitarian side of USA etc, kept on replying: "well, You have black people geting beaten in America".
This computer was actually smarter than You - for it was referring to presence, while You refer to events of 40-63 years ago.

Kaczynskis is another matter. Yes, their policy towards gay is wrong etc. And it may help me to decide to move out of here. They are homophobic. But PiS is not antisemitic. Nor is Samoobrona. Some elements of LPR, the smallest of coalitiants, may be, but Giertych made much effort to alienate from them.
Molly, are You aware there were two people of jewish origin in PiS gouverment already, and one of them was vice-prime minister?

Australian policy towards Aborigenes was not perfect is a great euphemism.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Bkeela
There is no doubt that Aborigines are Australia's deep shame. We murdered them like stray dogs during early settlement days. We caused the genocide of all Aboriginal inhabitants in Tasmania. We destroyed an entire generation thanks to enforced relocation of children. In recent times we have just thrown money at them and looked the other way, hoping things might improve, but they have gotten much worse. To the point where they probably have the lowest standard of living anywhere in the entire world.

No doubt there were some shameful episodes, but from what I've been reading from Keith Windschuttle, there is a lot that has been overblown:

http://www.sydneyline.com/Home.htm

[Pekka]

OK, let's keep alcohol and ban aboriginals. Seems easier to me. Plus, it's not like we need their contribution as much as we need alcohol.

I mean jeesh, let's vote on it. World wide vote, we'll see who prevails. It's not racist, it's the way of the world

[trev]

Pornography is a very serious problem in the isolated aboriginal communities as the aborigines with limited English skills are not aware of the need to restrict pornography to children, therefore any movie an adult sees, the children see also, and noone can suggest that children seeing x-rated movies is good. Alcohol is seriously abused by many adult aborigine resulting in severe domestic violence, rapes, murders etc. Likewise petrol sniffing is a severe problem among many young aborigines with many young people dying in their late teens, early twenties from the effects of intense petrol sniffing, although this is beginning to decrease due to many outback regions now only using a petrol variant which includes a nausea chemical so any attempt at sniffing results in vomiting.
The state and territory governments which control law and order and the police have been hesitant to place police in many of the outback towns due to high costs and lack of support and backup for police who run into problems due to the large distances involved.
This has resulted in poor law enforcement, no help for women and children who are physically and sexually abused, a lack of education and health services as these professionals have abandoned the towns due to security concerns, vandalization of government buildings where they exist leaving towns severely lacking even in basic infrastructure such as schools, health services, police stations, living quarters for the teachers, nurses, police etc.
There is an urgent need for radical action to change the downward spiral of these communities, and the current Aboriginal Affairs minister is determined to improve things by changing the way things have been done, even if the changes conflict with some traditional aboriginal values and culture. As trying to work within aboriginal sensitivities has failed miserably, his new methods are about all that there is left to try, even if they seem racist or paternalistic to some people.
John Howard may have good political reasons to support his minister at this time, but I am convinced that the minister Mal Brough is implementing these policies with the best of intentions. He has only been the minister for about 12 months I think, all other previous ministers basically looked the other way when problems emerged rather than try to confront them because it all seemed too hard

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by trev
Pornography is a very serious problem in the isolated aboriginal communities as the aborigines with limited English skills are not aware of the need to restrict pornography to children, therefore any movie an adult sees, the children see also...

Yes, because only those that have the power to speak English are smart enough to understand the dangers of pornography.

There is an urgent need for radical action to change the downward spiral of these communities, and the current Aboriginal Affairs minister is determined to improve things by changing the way things have been done, even if the changes conflict with some traditional aboriginal values and culture.

Traditional values such as... self-determination?

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by trev
Pornography is a very serious problem in the isolated aboriginal communities as the aborigines with limited English skills are not aware of the need to restrict pornography to children, therefore any movie an adult sees, the children see also, and noone can suggest that children seeing x-rated movies is good.

And white aussie kids don't watch porn? Colour me skeptical.

Anyway, what harm does porn inflict that justifies selective banning? Saying it's not good doesn't tell anyone anything.

[Japher]

Likewise petrol sniffing is a severe problem among many young aborigines with many young people dying in their late teens, early twenties from the effects of intense petrol sniffing, although this is beginning to decrease due to many outback regions now only using a petrol variant which includes a nausea chemical so any attempt at sniffing results in vomiting.

So, adversion practices work in this instance, but for porn and alcohol we'll go with the banning. I really doubt it will work, and think that adversion practices should be implimented in the way of education and religious ministries... Though, who am I? At least they are doing something

And what universally acceptable, cross culture measure would you use for this?

Demonstration of being relatively dependent shouldn't need to be "cross culture". Either you are dependent on the state or you are not. I think an acceptable measure would be the amount you depend on state funding for day to day living, i.e. food, clothes, and shelter. If you are taking out more than you are putting in than your are not independent.

[Pekka]

LC, white assuies know English, don't be a fool.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Pekka
LC, white assuies know English, don't be a fool.

When did knowing English stop anyone from looking at porn?

[Heresson]

You can get high by sniffing petrol?
hm....

[Barnabas]

Aborigines are not babies (except obviously baby aborigines), anyway I mean, It is wrong to treat a whole ethnic group as non adults.

That was exactly the status of natives in spanish america, non adults who had to be educated, protected etcby the spaniards

This is like going back 3 centuries

[Dinner]

Up until the early 1960's the US had a similar policy towards native people. All of them, even adults, were considered to backwards and uneducated to function in society and so they were wards of the state. 60 year old men had much of their daily lives directed by the government as if they were children and tribes couldn't direct the use of their own tribal properties without the government approving of each transaction. The civil rights movement wasn't just for blacks as native Americans also won their basic civil rights during that time too.