Putin warns on U.S. missiles in Europe

[Serb]

Originally posted by notyoueither


And Russian missile technology and tactics will also be advanced.

What I don't understand is why the big deal is being made of this.

In a conflict that involves any need for defensive systems to protect against Russian missiles, life as we know it on this planet is over even if the American system could somehow be made 50% effective vs Russian weapons. That's a very large if, and an unbelievably high effective rate and the world is still screwed.

True, but only not in case if US attack first. They have enough ships to surrender Russia in such way, that all valuable targets (missile bases, command centers, etc.) will be in range of their long range cruise missiles (mostly armed with nuclear warheads to destroy Russian missile silos). In case if some Russian missiles will survive the initial attack, here comes the missile shild.
This new Bush's idea gives a certain advantage to US in case of first strike. And since we know how Bush loves the idea of pre-emptive strikes, it's not surprising that we are a bit worried and will reply accordingly to his move.

Any country who has elements of US strategic nuclear arsenal on its soil should realise that it automatically becomes a target for Russian missiles. Simple as that. The choice is up to them.

[Serb]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


Why? When has the USA ever been aggressive against Russia?

Oh, my....



What a perfect sig material!

[Kuciwalker]

Any country who has elements of US strategic nuclear arsenal on its soil should realise that it automatically becomes a target for Russian missiles. Simple as that. The choice is up to them.

I think you'll find that they prefer the certain benefits of a US military presence over the unlikely consequence of being hit by a Russian nuke.

[Serb]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I'll go out on a limb and say that the likelihood of a handful of missiles being tossed at Europe or North America by some wanna-be is a lot higher than the likelihood that the Yanks could develop a shield that would provide real protection versus the Russian arsenal of ICBM, SLBM, cruise missiles, and strategic bombers.

I can very well see Yanks develop a shild that would provide real protection versus REMAINS of the Russian arsenal of ICBM, SLBM, cruise missiles, and strategic bombers after the bulk of those forces will be destroyed by the wave of American cruise missiles.

I do understand some of the Russian POV, but I can't accept that Russian misgivings about Poland and the Czechs defending themsleves and other NATO members are legitimate. These Russian protestations about other people defending themselves strike me as aggression.

The shild will protect any one except Yanks? I thought Poland and Czhehia just provide soil for foreign "defence system", nothing more.
And btw, according to recent polls, 61% of Czechs are against US radar on their soil.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
I think the bigger question here is who the **** cares what Russia and Pooty-Pout thinks? They literally couldn't pay their military to do jack, given the state has almost no money since the fall of the USSR, let alone participate in a nuclear war which would utterly devastate an already hobbled Russia.

I think you are an expert of modern Russia.
We have a wolrd's third largest surpluss of money and still you whine we don't have money.

[Kuciwalker]

The shild will protect any one except Yanks?

The presence of the shield in those countries gives the US a commitment to defend them (beyond NATO).

[Serb]

Originally posted by Pekka
they don't want a war with NATO, US, EU or all combined. And neither does the West want war with Russia.

Pekka, for military strategists intentions do not matter, only possibilities. It doesn't really matter do US, EU, NATO or Martians want to attack Russia. What is really matter is their possibility do so. The missile shield in Europe will provide a certain advantage to US over Russia (in case if US will strike first).
THAT CAUSE CONCERNS.
And that leads to a new arms race. Period.

[SlowwHand]

Serb, glad you're here. Do you really think Russia has to even worry over USA intent towards them? To what end would the USA attack Russia?
The USA might as well attack Frognot, Texas.

[Serb]

Once again - intention doesn't matter, only possibility.

It doesn't matter do really US want to attack Russia or it doesn't. What is matter that their shield gives them an advantage in case of first strike. And this should be the thing to worry about.

Imagine Russia installing a radar (which will cover a half of US) and missile intercepters in Cuba. Perhaps then you'll understand us.

Btw, what happened last time when we tried to install our military hardware near your borders? Remind me your reaction to that, please...

[SlowwHand]

We didn't care for it a bit. 90 miles or so was considered a little close for comfort.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

The shild will protect anyone except Yanks?

The presence of the shield in those countries gives the US a commitment to defend them (beyond NATO).

It's up to US to decide how to spend their missiles. I doubt the line "we the US of A, pledge to protect your soil from any incoming ICBM" will be a part of the contract with Czehs and Poles. Americans will control their military systems, not Poles or Czehs, and they and no one else, will decide how to use them and whom they protect.

[SlowwHand]

As I remember, for the greater part of history, Russia and the USA have been on the same side, for the most part.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Serb
It's up to US to decide how to spend their missiles. I doubt the line "we the US of A, pledge to protect your soil from any incoming ICBM" will be a part of the contract with Czehs and Poles. Americans will control their military systems, not Poles or Czehs, and they and no one else, will decide how to use them and whom they protect.

I'm not talking about in a nuclear exchange. I'm talking about political pressure from Russia.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Serb


True, but only not in case if US attack first. They have enough ships to surrender Russia in such way, that all valuable targets (missile bases, command centers, etc.) will be in range of their long range cruise missiles (mostly armed with nuclear warheads to destroy Russian missile silos). In case if some Russian missiles will survive the initial attack, here comes the missile shild.

And then there are Russian boomers, and mobile strategic rockets, and aircraft that could be anywhere with payload.

A first strike is unthinkable, and has been for a very long time.

The limited abilites of the US system might work for 4 or 5 missiles launched from a predictable place on the ground a long way away. They are zero deterence to the ability of Russia to respond to an attack.

This new Bush's idea gives a certain advantage to US in case of first strike. And since we know how Bush loves the idea of pre-emptive strikes, it's not surprising that we are a bit worried and will reply accordingly to his move.

If Bush, or any Yank was nuts enough, do you think they would try to defend Poland?

Any country who has elements of US strategic nuclear arsenal on its soil should realise that it automatically becomes a target for Russian missiles. Simple as that. The choice is up to them.

Sorry, dude. I live in a primary target. The nation I am a citizen of possesses zero nuclear weapons and does not allow the Yanks to bring them here.

And even if where I live were not a primary target, it matters not much if the US and Russia go ballistic. 99.99% of the world is dead anyways and the death rate in the Northern hemisphere would be higher.

I suppose I should feel lucky that I wouldn't have to deal with the aftermath.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Serb

I can very well see Yanks develop a shild that would provide real protection versus REMAINS of the Russian arsenal of ICBM, SLBM, cruise missiles, and strategic bombers after the bulk of those forces will be destroyed by the wave of American cruise missiles.

I am unaware of sub seeking cruise missiles. The Yanks must be better than I thought.

This also assume that Russia does nothing after detecting 100s or 1000s of launches. A huge assumption.

The shild will protect any one except Yanks? I thought Poland and Czhehia just provide soil for foreign "defence system", nothing more.
And btw, according to recent polls, 61% of Czechs are against US radar on their soil.

I see. It has been reported to you that a radar station in the Czech Republic and an AM base in Poland is to defend New York.

There's a wee bit of water between Prague and New York that I think the Yanks would be more concerned with.