The great pizza face off!

[Japher]

mmmmmmmmm, lard

[Drogue]

Originally posted by MRT144
the steaming thing is a san francisco thing. and it can be taken to absurd disgusting levels just as toasting stuff can. but the steam achieves the same thing that the toasting does; the melting of inside things.

also i like having a "fillers" like rice and refried beans, because believe it or not, i like the taste and texture of them.

at least they arent Seattle abomination burritos that suck hella bad.

Me too.

But then, the burrito's Oerdin's talking about are surely made of corn, in the traditional Mexican way, which means they almost never stay together and don't roll properly. I'd prefer a steamed, wheat tortilla that wraps properly. Also, it looks a bit boring and tasteless to me, at least the one Oerdin posted. I think some refried beans adds a little texture, and some blackened or roasted peppers adds a little sweetness. I'm never sure of the need for a choice of salsa's though, as putting more than one muddles the flavour a bit much to me. But then I never go for the 'exotic' salsas - just a tomato and herb one is fine for me.

[Dinner]

Drogue, in Northern Mexico people use flour tortillas except on tacos. Corn tortillas are mainly in central and southern Mexico. Flour tortillas hold their shape better and are stronger so they don't fall apart when you eat them.

[Drogue]

Ahh, I was presuming the southern Mexican version was the "true" Mexican version, with the northern version being basically Tex-Mex.

However I tend to find steaming or lightly frying makes little difference - either way it ends up able to wrap. What matters, IMHO, is what it's made of and what's inside.

[Japher]

I'm with Drouge

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Drogue
Cheese and tomato sauce are also toppings. The actual pizza is the combination of dough and toppings. It's not like a burrito and hot sauce, it's like drowning a burrito in meat or beans.

Cheese and tomato sauce are NEVER called toppings unless it is "extra". It's the pizza. The toppings are add-ons.

When you order a pizza 'plain', you get cheese and sauce. Everything else is a topping.

However good bread you use, without toppings, it's boring. And you add Jalepenos and claim people who add other toppings drown the flavour? However much chicken, mushrooms, ham, etc. you add, nothing removes flavour like chilis.

Says someone who can't handle his chilis . I find the taste of the pizza comes through fine with jalapenos (much more than a 'meat lovers' pizza), but that's besides the point. It's still a 'topping'.

Toppings can be fine, but throwing on toppings by the bowlful (I admit I've done it once or twice) only serves to hide the flavor of the actual pizza.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Oerdin
No need of TP the amount of lard is small and used only to grease the stove top but it adds great flavor.

Actually, tortillas themselves have quite a lot of lard in them.

ACK!

[Jon Miller]

Umm, I have several times had pizza without cheese and tomato sauce

they are just common toppings

JM

[Ninot]

Yeah, cheese isn't mandatory.
But it's better with it.

[ZEE]

if i go to an Italian restaurant, owned by Italians, and order a pizza is that considered an Italian pizza? or do i need to go to Italy for the "real thing?" Was pizza even invented in Italy?

nevertheless i thought the ingrediants were fresh and the homemade dough and sauce was good, but im too used to the "Papa Johns," and the other "delivery" places...
piece™

[Will9]

Originally posted by AAHZ
if i go to an Italian restaurant, owned by Italians, and order a pizza is that considered an Italian pizza? or do i need to go to Italy for the "real thing?"

Yes

[Jon Miller]

Papa Johns and the other delivery places are only decent

I like fancier pizza than that

of course, I rarely have pizza anymore, not healthy

JM

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Cheese and tomato sauce are NEVER called toppings unless it is "extra". It's the pizza. The toppings are add-ons.

When you order a pizza 'plain', you get cheese and sauce. Everything else is a topping.

Of course it automatically has those on, but that doesn't make them not toppings. As I said, a pizza is a combination of bread and toppings, with cheese and sauce being the basic toppings. There are many, many types of pizza that don't have tomato sauce on them. Are they then not pizzas? Of course not, they're still pizzas, because they're still bread and toppings. The fact that the Margerita has become so standard does not mean that the cheese and sauce are not toppings. Many authentic Italian pizzas don't have tomato sauce on.

Tbh, I've never seen anyone order a pizza "plain". Pizza's have

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Says someone who can't handle his chilis . I find the taste of the pizza comes through fine with jalapenos (much more than a 'meat lovers' pizza),

I like chillis in things that need it, like curries or mexican food, because they have strong flavours to complement them. On pizza, I don't think it complements. But that's a personal thing.

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Toppings can be fine, but throwing on toppings by the bowlful (I admit I've done it once or twice) only serves to hide the flavor of the actual pizza.

You see, to me, it just hides the flavour of the cheese and sauce, which I find a bit boring. Next you'll be saying that pasta should only have tomato sauce and parmesan on it? I mean, it's not like bolognase or carbonara are authentic pastas. It's the same with pizza. Just because the cheese and sauce pizza has become so popular, doesn't make it the automatic basis. Besides, I prefer flavours that accentuate the base - sundried tomatoes, chicken (occasionally a little spiced), sometimes a bit of beef, rosemary, I even had a spiced duck one once. All kept the flavour of a good sauce, herbs and a nice base.

[Arrian]

For me, usually 2-3 toppings are enough. More than that and it gets too busy.

-Arrian

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drogue

Next you'll be saying that pasta should only have tomato sauce and parmesan on it? I mean, it's not like bolognase or carbonara are authentic pastas.

Different kettle of fish.

Pasta preceded tomatoes.

Why would pasta (any pasta) be restricted to having tomato sauce and parmesan on it for it to be an authentic pasta dish ?

Especially when sweet pasta was popular in the Renaissance...