Chinese Vice Premier Huang Ju has died at 68, state media report

[DaShi]

It's covered in "Mao: The Untold Story." However, I don't have a copy of the book with me, so I can't give the exact source that it references.

[Mao]

Ummm... do you have a more... academic source to point to? Maybe it's just a function of the academics that I've come into contact with around the northeast of America, but they all seem to have given the book almost no credit as a scholarly work.

[SlowwHand]

What do you want, the National Enquirer?

[Mao]

Yes, yes I would.

[SlowwHand]

DaShi! Cough it up, buddy!

[Japher]

This has a definite similarity to a certain sketch by a certain comedy duo...

1: Hu's in office.
2: I don't know, who?
1: That's what I'm telling you, Hu is in office.
2: Who?
1: That's right.
2: What's right?
1: Hu.
2: Who?
1: Hu's in office cause he killed Ju
2: Oh, so He's a nazi bastard?!
1: No Ju was in office before Hu.
2: You're not making any sense so I am going to push you out of a helicopter

[SlowwHand]

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Mao
Ummm... do you have a more... academic source to point to? Maybe it's just a function of the academics that I've come into contact with around the northeast of America, but they all seem to have given the book almost no credit as a scholarly work.

I don't, as I said. You can check with the source that the book quotes. As of now, the book is debatable (what isn't) as because of the controversy surrounding Mao accurate information has been difficult to obtain. However, the biggest complaint among scholars about the book does not concern it's accuracy, but it's negative and harsh tone that prevents it from being considered a scholarly work.

[SlowwHand]

Do they call him a punkass bastard or something?
Does accuracy negate scholarly? Enquiring minds want to know.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Japher
This has a definite similarity to a certain sketch by a certain comedy duo...

1: Hu's in office.
2: I don't know, who?
1: That's what I'm telling you, Hu is in office.
2: Who?
1: That's right.
2: What's right?
1: Hu.
2: Who?
1: Hu's in office cause he killed Ju
2: Oh, so He's a nazi bastard?!
1: No Ju was in office before Hu.
2: You're not making any sense so I am going to push you out of a helicopter

[DaShi]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Do they call him a punkass bastard or something?

More or less. The book focuses specifically on the horrible actions committed by Mao and generally ignores any good he's done, directly or indirectly. It's unfortunate that they took such a stance, because there is a lot of information in the book that has been revealed through official documents that reveals a lot behind the communist propaganda. However, it's tone has opened the door to critics who'd rather argue about how it wholly negatively portrays Mao while ignoring it's historical significance. Even the book by Mao doctor faced such criticism despite the lack of vitriol in its tone. For some it's hard to believe that Mao was indeed a bad person. But with nearly 50 years of pro-Mao propaganda coming out of China, it's no surprise. Just look at the resistance in the US when the darker sides of popular US presidents are revealed.

Does accuracy negate scholarly? Enquiring minds want to know.

I don't exactly understand your question, but I hope I covered it above.

[Mao]

Originally posted by DaShi


I don't, as I said. You can check with the source that the book quotes. As of now, the book is debatable (what isn't) as because of the controversy surrounding Mao accurate information has been difficult to obtain. However, the biggest complaint among scholars about the book does not concern it's accuracy, but it's negative and harsh tone that prevents it from being considered a scholarly work.

Yeah, maybe I'll try to get my hands on a copy of the book and look at the actual source, I'd be curious to find out. I think you're right about the main complaint among scholars, but there's also some complaint about its accuracy, particularly about its sources, some of which can't be substantiated.

Again, though, this is from what I understand from scholars in the field.

[One_more_turn]

His family name is Huang. Chinese ALWAYS place family names first.

He is the last of Jiang Zemin's cronies. His death signals complete dominance of the current ruling clique.