Bush Administration admits "surge" is a failure.

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Originally posted by Flhaus
They are drawing down on a more stable and sane footing due to the pressure from congress. The failure resides on the surrender side of the aisle. He is trying to satisfy them while achieving the objective. When your eggs are busted, you might as well make an omelet.

The war was started in 2003. How many years should Congress give George "The Decider" free hands and unlimited supply of money and manpower without any pressure until you'd start blaming the guys who started and are still managing the war for it's endless failures?

Stop shooting the messenger. Try to be less emotional and more objective about this, then please read this post.

This is leadership.

Yeah, micromanagering military strategy in order to create a PR stunt and to build an impression that progress is being made (in other words, manipulating war plans in order to gain temporary political capital), then backtracking from it within 6 months when the micromanagement has been exactly as meaningless as the military predicted. This is exactly the same kind of leadership what Jimmy Carter was famous for.

To be fair, I might have been wrong in the last paragraph. You see, it also could be that the administration is now cynically lying to American people about what they're going to do in order to buy more breathing room. It wouldn't be the first time Bush's image is helped by anonymous lie-filled "leaks" within the administration.

[Flhaus]

Originally posted by Oerdin
You do realize the Republicans have enough votes to block anything the Democrats put up with Bush's veto right?

Surrender side? You really are clueless since it is actually the Republican members of Congress who have told Bush that unless things change radically soon they're going to have to vote against the war starting next May. Republican members of Congress up for election next year are practically crapping their pants believing that unless something is done about the war they're going to get the axe just like in the last election. These are guys who expected life time secure positions due to gerrymandering (both sides do that) but the war and Bush's unpopularity (down in the 20's now) is putting them in jeopardy. Republicans in Congress have all pretty much told Bush that if by May 2008 (giving them half a year to campaign) if there isn't success or a substantial draw down then they'll vote with the Democrats to save their own skins.

Thank you for making my point.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Oerdin




Idiot. I sometimes drink PBR because it is cheap and better tasting then BudMillerCoors. As I explained in the crappy beer thread before you went off on your moronic claims.

But hey! You just wouldn't be KuciDrakDD without the idiocy and moronic claims.

DD doesnt belong there. Drakenwalker will suffice.

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I agree about DinoDoc, he thinks for himself. Personally, I prefer the term "Kucidrakogie".

[Drake Tungsten]

I still prefer "Drakenwalker", which MRT was smart enough to DanS in...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MRT144
DD doesnt belong there. Drakenwalker will suffice.

I don't even know what PBR is, let alone whether Oerdin is a "hipster."

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I still prefer "Drakenwalker"...

I changed it after I realized I like that one more too.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I don't even know what PBR is, let alone whether Oerdin is a "hipster."

Given that it was a drinking reference, it's gotta be Pabst Blue Ribbon. Really really cheap beer.

-Arrian

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I don't even know what PBR is, let alone whether Oerdin is a "hipster."

no no, this is simply based on portamenteau of names

[Drake Tungsten]

I changed it after I realized I like that one more too.

I can DanS, too.

[Kuciwalker]

Only DanS can cross-edit though.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Arrian


Given that it was a drinking reference, it's gotta be Pabst Blue Ribbon. Really really cheap beer.

-Arrian

I love it! And I hate hipsters.

[Drake Tungsten]

I love it! And I hate hipsters.

Do you like indie rock and bragging about the unknown bands you follow, though?

[Flhaus]

[QUOTE] This is exactly the same kind of leadership what Jimmy Carter was famous for. [QUOTE]

This is a moronic statement. How old are you? Carter had no spine, and it could be argued that if he had shown any leadership and guts at all, we wouldn't be dealing with the level of terroism we are dealing with now. Our miltary was in shambles under his watch. This is exactly the kind of pansy-assed bull**** we are dealing with today, rather than letting the generals fight the war and giving them what they need when they need it. We Americans never learn from the past (Pearl Harbor, Vietnam, Iranian Hostage, and now 911) Our terrible freedom is a blessing and a curse.

When you see a vet, thank him for his contribution, without it, you wouldn't be able to freely show how dee dee dee you are.

[Patroklos]

Despite all the pissing and moaning to the contrary withdrawing before you have completed your objectives is an admission of failure not matter what the usual suspects say.

Who is withdrawing Oerdin. Your own article says next year at the earliest, so we are talking 7-19 months for this to happen. That is 2-6 times longer left in the surge than it has already been in place. Are you connecting any dots here...?

If I remember correctly the surge was only supposed to last a year anyway, so this looks like a planned withdrawal whether the surge succeeds or not, not because it failed. Perhaps some of that forward planning you constantly criticize the admin about?

Patroklos, I'm a bit disappointed that you joined in too.

You post and article and make unbelievably retarded conclusions that are the exact opposite of what it says, expect to be called out.

Though that is a simple point, everything else I typed here is in response to what I hope to god is an MtG troll.