First Chinese Aircraft Carrier - When?

[Patroklos]

The forward deck slopes up. Was this carrier designed for VSTOL aircarft? .

No.

Isn't the sloped-up deck a compensation for the shorter deck length, or somesuch, i.e. planes not being able to reach the needed speed to get airborne, so this is achieved by them leaving the deck at an angle?

Yes.

[Dr Strangelove]

So they weren't able to figure out how to use steam driven catapaults to launch their aircraft?

[Az]

http://www.navlog.org/P-3_rig.jpg

the Kirov class

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
The forward deck slopes up. Was this carrier designed for VSTOL aircarft?

Not exactly.
Kuznetsov is a sister ship of Varyag:

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kuznetsov/index.html

However it could support Yak-41 VSTOL fighters.

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/russia/yakovlev/yak-41/yak-41.htm

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
So they weren't able to figure out how to use steam driven catapaults to launch their aircraft?

It's a long story. Initially Orel class had have 2 (iirc) steam driven catapaults, but later plans changed.

[Az]

So they weren't able to figure out how to use steam driven catapults to launch their aircraft?

A) It could be an additional push. once again, shorter deck length = less room for steam catapult acceleration = less airspeed while leaving the deck.
B) Actually, from what I've hear, steam driven catapults aren't such a trivial technology, so it's possible that a design choice was made = weaker steam catapults with less acceleration, and a curved up deck.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
Looks pretty. More elegant than most other carriers.

Definitely.

[VetLegion]

Az is right, the deck is curved to compensate for it's length. I believe first carriers also used that technique. I always thought it must have been a ***** to land on such deck.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Az

B) Actually, from what I've hear, steam driven catapults aren't such a trivial technology, so it's possible that a design choice was made = weaker steam catapults with less acceleration, and a curved up deck.

Kuznetsov class doesn't have any steam catapults. It has Su-33 instead.
However, an imitation of deck with a steam catapult has been build on surface and used for training. Then came Su-33 and designers abandoned (sacrificed for more usefull things) this catapult idea.

[VetLegion]

Re: Re: First Chinese Aircraft Carrier - When?

Originally posted by Serb

Not us, stupid Ukranians did so

Well what would they do with it? Ukraine sure doesn't need to project power anywhere.

BTW., were Turks required to let her pass through Bosporus by some international treaty? If not, what did the Soviets plan to do with it? Keep it in the Black Sea?

[Az]

I am not a big fan of the "let's build a plane with an enormous amount of modifications so that it can take off from an aircraft carrier", but if you do, do it right. I read the Su-33 wiki article, and some things make me so mad. What kind of an idiot engineer doesn't take care of the plane getting into the hangar as trivially a top priority?


pryamo kak i tut - strana talantlivih raspizdyayev...*sigh*

[Serb]

Re: Re: Re: First Chinese Aircraft Carrier - When?

Originally posted by VetLegion


Well what would they do with it? Ukraine sure doesn't need to project power anywhere.

Only a traitor or complete idiot can sell such warship for 20 million USD. It's like selling a new shining Ferrari for 2 thousand USD.

BTW., were Turks required to let her pass through Bosporus by some international treaty? If not, what did the Soviets plan to do with it? Keep it in the Black Sea?

It was a secondary issue.
How could they stop it anyway? Attack it and start WW3?

[Az]

Well what would they do with it?

I am quite certain the Russians would've paid more.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Az
pryamo kak i tut - strana talantlivih raspizdyayev...*sigh*

Bingo

[Serb]

Originally posted by Az

Well what would they do with it?

I am quite certain the Russians would've paid more.

It was in the middle of the 90's when we had a whore instead of a president.