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  • #91
    Originally posted by The Vagabond
    So you think that the adversary is so weak that it's not even worth your declaring a cold war on him?
    If Russia were to become an adversary, such a thing would be unnecessary, so long at the 10 are unified.

    Because of many factors, Russia can still be dangerous. We should keep our powder dry.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #92
      Pekka, by "cornered" I mean the geopolytical situation in its entirety. If you associate "cornered" just with the smaller issues under consideration you get the absurd you get.

      As for the nazi comparisons, they may be quite unfortunate. For instance, Putin just recently made one...
      Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by DanS
        Because of many factors, Russia can still be dangerous. We should keep our powder dry.
        But you have known this for all these years anyway. And you (the West) have been doing what you had to do during all these years anyway too. So I wonder whether anything will change from now on. Of course, Russia will greatly miss Chirac & Shroeder.
        Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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        • #94
          It's tough to wrap my head around the Russian view that if they aren't picking on the little guy, they're victimized.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #95
            Originally posted by The Vagabond

            Yes, abolishing the existing services is generally viewed as more grave violation of human rights than just refusing to install new ones.
            When was the Soviet Russian language service abolished? 1991? Or was it more recent?
            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by DanS
              It's tough to wrap my head around the Russian view that if they aren't picking on the little guy, they're victimized.
              But it's just your view on the Russian view.

              In reality, the situation is more like the little guy barking and biting you from under the umbrella of another big guy and you can't even fight back.
              Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by The Vagabond

                So you support declaring a new cold war on Russia?
                I can't speak for Dan but I do know there won't be one unless Russia forces the issue. If Russia doesn't keep shifting towards authoritarianism, chest thumping nationalism, and insisting on making minor diplomatic event into mountains then there just won't be an issue. Russians seem to be in a xenophobic mood though and Putin is doing everything he can to pump it up because be believes it benefits him to do so.

                Let's face it, in most countries respectfully moving a statue built by an occupying power from the center of the capital to a military cemetery wouldn't be cause for an international incident ending in trade embargoes.
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #98
                  TV: In such a situation, you bring your grievances to the big guy. The big guy might be more reasonable than the little guy.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Oerdin


                    When was the Soviet Russian language service abolished? 1991? Or was it more recent?
                    "The Soviet Russian language service"?? There was no such institution.

                    Perhaps, you mean, when education in the Russian language was abolished in Latvia?
                    Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by The Vagabond

                      But you have known this for all these years anyway. And you (the West) have been doing what you had to do during all these years anyway too. So I wonder whether anything will change from now on. Of course, Russia will greatly miss Chirac & Shroeder.
                      What exactly has the west been doing? Put in place a handful of anti-missile missiles which Russia can easily overwelm with just shear numbers of missiles? Agree to accept eastern European states who were begging to join western institutions?
                      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by Oerdin
                        I can't speak for Dan but I do know there won't be one unless Russia forces the issue. If Russia doesn't keep shifting towards authoritarianism, chest thumping nationalism, and insisting on making minor diplomatic event into mountains then there just won't be an issue. Russians seem to be in a xenophobic mood though and Putin is doing everything he can to pump it up because be believes it benefits him to do so.
                        If this, if that... As I said earlier, if you want a quarrel, you can easily pick an item or two from a vast list of Russia's shortcomings. The real question is whether you want or not.

                        Let's face it, in most countries respectfully moving a statue built by an occupying power from the center of the capital to a military cemetery wouldn't be cause for an international incident ending in trade embargoes.
                        "Respectfully"?

                        From the Russian viewpoint, it's not a monument to an occupying power; rather, to the soldiers that saved the world from the nazis.
                        Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by DanS
                          TV: In such a situation, you bring your grievances to the big guy. The big guy might be more reasonable than the little guy.
                          The grievances have persistently been brought to the attention of the big guy. To no avail. The big guy seems to be indulgent and even (secretly) content by what the little guy is doing.
                          Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by Oerdin


                            What exactly has the west been doing? Put in place a handful of anti-missile missiles which Russia can easily overwelm with just shear numbers of missiles? Agree to accept eastern European states who were begging to join western institutions?
                            Yes, and other things along this line.
                            Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by The Vagabond


                              "The Soviet Russian language service"?? There was no such institution.

                              Perhaps, you mean, when education in the Russian language was abolished in Latvia?
                              I meant Russian language government services. When were they abolished in Latvia? Recently or in 1991?
                              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                              • #105
                                In education, quite recently, IIRC.
                                Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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