Immigration compromise struck

[Zkribbler]

Then maybe you should raise your legal immigration levels.

We should.

We should also streamline the process. I heard of one woman who'd been waiting for eight monts for an appointment so she could apply. With delays like that, it's no wonder people are sneaking across the border. Bad laws make bad people.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Wycoff


What are the odds that it will actually be enforced?

I have a bridge to sell you.

[mrmitchell]

Re: Immigration compromise struck

Originally posted by DanS
I'd say that it's about time that this country moved forward on security and immigration. Hopefully, this deal will help in that regard.

By way of background, this is a very divisive issue in the US. Immigration is unpopular (both legal and illegal), but the facts on the ground are that it's easy to be in the country illegally. Obviously, there are security issues attached.

Up to 10% of Mexico's population is in the US illegally. The scale is very large, such that it creates a lawless situation with regard to who is in the country.

Get out on the street, man, talk to people. In my experience a large majority of Americans are pro-immigration, but that might just be Arkansans who haven't seen the scale of immigration in say California or New York. One thing I'll bet on either way is that immigration's condemners are much louder than its advocates.

[MRT144]

how many illegals are going to go for this?

also how many are going to wait 8-13 years?

really? cmon? theres still going to be hella illegals.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I have a bridge to sell you.

Let me get this straight. You're buying into this bill, yet you're calling me gullible?

Or did you misunderstand what I meant?

[DinoDoc]

If I could be reasonably assured that they would enforce the law, I would buy into the bill. However given the history of government action in this area, I'd say that Dan or his son will be trumpeting a new Congressional compromise in 20 or so years that will solve the crisis once and for all.

[Zkribbler]

What we need is Mexico to evolve from feudalism to capitalism. Once they get an economy going, there'll be little reason to come here to get jobs.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
What we need is Mexico to evolve from feudalism to capitalism. Once they get an economy going, there'll be little reason to come here to get jobs.

Right. That's the crux of the issue. I believe that the illegal immigration release valve that we give to Mexico retards Mexican social development. IMO, without change in the U.S., there can't be change in Mexico.

[Dinner]

The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so- called "point system" that would for the first time prioritize immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in deciding how to award green cards.

This is a good turn of events.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I can't believe the Republicans actually did this. I guess the losses in 2006 weren't enough for them...

They need money from businesses and businesses are all saying they need the workers.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I don't understand why Americans are so ****ing xenophobic about a bunch of hardworking Mexicans wanting to move to the US...

Basically it is because they are brown people and they tend to vote Democrat. Thus Republicans don't like them. Unless, of course, it is a businessman who is looking for lower labor costs then he's all for it and that seems to be good business.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Then maybe you should raise your legal immigration levels.

That would be a sensible solution therefor it won't happen.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Basically it is because they are brown people and they tend to vote Democrat.

You caught me.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by DanS


OK. In '88, the GOP lost one seat in the Senate and 2 seats in the House. Hardly a rebuke, I think you'll have to admit.

Oh really? In 1988 Bush beat Dukakis 53%-47% in the popular vote, and 426-111 (or 80%-20%) in the Electoral College; yet the GOP actually lost seats in both the House and Senate. Off the top of my head, I can't recall another election where a party took the White House by that kind of margin and yet lost seats in both chambers of Congress. It certainly looks like a rebuke to me (though whether it was a rebuke over immigration in particular, I have no idea).

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Basically it is because they are brown people and they tend to vote Democrat. Thus Republicans don't like them. Unless, of course, it is a businessman who is looking for lower labor costs then he's all for it and that seems to be good business.

This is the best you can do?