The Incredibly Interesting Story of the NSA's domestic spying program

[Pekka]

Obviously people can't be proven innocent in this sense, it's about mining ultimately. If it wasn't, the old way would be sufficient. OR possibly if there's a situation where they need to listen NOW and can't wait, this wouldn't need 90 days worth of stuff and retroactively justifying it. If you have a situation where information is so vital, that you need to tap in immidiately, I figure you can always apply for that permission the same day or the next day. Take into account what was revealed and those reasons should be elevated and in line with threats as in trying to prevent a strike right there and then pretty much. If not, I don't see why they'd need such powers.

And they don't, it's about mining. It's not that they'll listen to everyone, it's just that they'll mine it, and that's ultimately pretty comprehensive surveillance on all of your asses. Unfortunately this measure will flag 99% innocent people and no, the data won't be destroyed, otherwise they couldn't mine it. It might be disregarded as false alarm, but that's all.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Berzerker

I dont know, its a religion I dislike this time but I sure wouldn't want people following me simply because my religion or ideology partially resembled some nutcase's views. Logical, perhaps, constitutional, well, what is unreasonable? Cops can literally blow down your door and "unintentionally" set fire to your home and thats called "reasonable" if they think you have pot, so I'm sure this would be ruled okay.

Well usually the people dealing with intel. are smarter and more reasonable and careful than cops.


Though admittedly, they can also be more devious

[Sirotnikov]

And they don't, it's about mining. It's not that they'll listen to everyone, it's just that they'll mine it, and that's ultimately pretty comprehensive surveillance on all of your asses. Unfortunately this measure will flag 99% innocent people and no, the data won't be destroyed, otherwise they couldn't mine it. It might be disregarded as false alarm, but that's all.

what's the difference between being disregarded and being totally destroyed, when it's a sea of information?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Regarding the logic of spying on politically active americans - I see it as very logical in attempt to filter out foreign insurgency and political influence methods, especially those employed by the Soviets (read the congress report on "Active Measures" and people of influence).

Ever the fascist. How about we start spying on Jews, since so many of them seem to be spying for Israel and acting as agents of a foreign power?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Ever the fascist. How about we start spying on Jews, since so many of them seem to be spying for Israel and acting as agents of a foreign power?

Actually I would fully understand such a measure. I might dislike it personally, but it makes perfect sense.

Not to mention, you already do that, judging by the quantity of "foriegn influence" trials against AIPAC officials over absolute nonsense in recent years.

[Dinner]

There has been new information about this today on NPR. It appears Cheney took it personal when the Justice Department told him the domestic spying program was illegal because he's personally taken it upon himself to black list anyone who told him what he didn't want to hear.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10801604

[Zkribbler]

Is it 2008 yet??

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov


Actually I would fully understand such a measure. I might dislike it personally, but it makes perfect sense.

Not to mention, you already do that, judging by the quantity of "foriegn influence" trials against AIPAC officials over absolute nonsense in recent years.

Can we stitch little stars on their clothes to raise awareness about these potential spies?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
Can we stitch little stars on their clothes to raise awareness about these potential spies?

Highly unrecommended, since you'd lose the stealthiness aspect.

And would look racist and open to PR attacks.

Doing it in stealth is something I can understand though.

[Colonâ„¢]

National security should not be made subservient to PR, sir.

[Sirotnikov]

Exactly.

Racial profiling works very well, and should continue being employed. It is reasonable and self-proven.