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    Comrie's testimony almost reads like a novel or movie. Just fascinating stuff... and stuff that the administration probably is squirming about. The trip to Ashcroft's sick-bedside is absolutely shameful, and who knew, old John wasn't falling for it (on a side note, Gonzales' running of the assylum makes Ashcroft look damned good in comparison, doesn't it?)



    May 16, 2007

    President Intervened in Dispute Over Eavesdropping

    By DAVID JOHNSTON


    WASHINGTON, May 15 — President Bush intervened in March 2004 to avert a crisis over the National Security Agency’s domestic eavesdropping program after Attorney General John Ashcroft, Director Robert S. Mueller III of the F.B.I. and other senior Justice Department aides all threatened to resign, a former deputy attorney general testified Tuesday.

    Mr. Bush quelled the revolt over the program’s legality by allowing it to continue without Justice Department approval, also directing department officials to take the necessary steps to bring it into compliance with the law, according to Congressional testimony by the former deputy attorney general, James B. Comey.

    Although a conflict over the program had been disclosed in The New York Times, Mr. Comey provided a fuller account of the 48-hour drama, including, for the first time, Mr. Bush’s role, the threatened resignations and a race as Mr. Comey hurried to Mr. Ashcroft’s hospital sickbed to intercept White House officials, who were pushing for approval of the N.S.A. program.

    Describing the events as “the most difficult of my professional career,” Mr. Comey appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee as part of its inquiry into the dismissal of federal prosecutors and the role of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales. Several lawmakers wanted to examine Mr. Gonzales’s actions in the N.S.A. matter, when he was White House counsel, and cited them to buttress their case that he should resign.

    Mr. Comey, the former No. 2 official in the Justice Department, said the crisis began when he refused to sign a presidential order reauthorizing the program, which allowed monitoring of international telephone calls and e-mail of people inside the United States who were suspected of having terrorist ties. He said he made his decision after the department’s Office of Legal Counsel, based on an extensive review, concluded that the program did not comply with the law. At the time, Mr. Comey was acting attorney general because Mr. Ashcroft had been hospitalized for emergency gall bladder surgery.

    Mr. Comey would not describe the rationale for his refusal to approve the eavesdropping program, citing its classified nature. The N.S.A. program, which began soon after the Sept. 11 attacks and did not require court approval to listen in on the communications of Americans and others, provoked an outcry in Congress when it was disclosed in December 2005.

    Mr. Comey said that on the evening of March 10, 2004, Mr. Gonzales and Andrew H. Card Jr., then Mr. Bush’s chief of staff, tried to bypass him by secretly visiting Mr. Ashcroft. Mr. Ashcroft was extremely ill and disoriented, Mr. Comey said, and his wife had forbidden any visitors.

    Mr. Comey said that when a top aide to Mr. Ashcroft alerted him about the pending visit, he ordered his driver to rush him to George Washington University Hospital with emergency lights flashing and a siren blaring, to intercept the pair. They were seeking his signature because authority for the program was to expire the next day.

    Mr. Comey said he phoned Mr. Mueller, who agreed to meet him at the hospital. Once there, Mr. Comey said he “literally ran up the stairs.” At his request, Mr. Mueller ordered the F.B.I. agents on Mr. Ashcroft’s security detail not to evict Mr. Comey from the room if Mr. Gonzales and Mr. Card objected to his presence.

    Mr. Comey said he arrived first in the darkened room, in time to brief Mr. Ashcroft, who he said seemed barely conscious. Before Mr. Ashcroft became ill, Mr. Comey said the two men had talked and agreed that the program should not be renewed.

    When the White House officials appeared minutes later, Mr. Gonzales began to explain to Mr. Ashcroft why they were there. Mr. Comey said Mr. Ashcroft rose weakly from his hospital bed, but in strong and unequivocal terms, refused to approve the eavesdropping program.

    “I was angry,” Mr. Comey told the committee. “ I had just witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man, who did not have the powers of the attorney general because they had been transferred to me. I thought he had conducted himself in a way that demonstrated a strength I had never seen before, but still I thought it was improper.”


    Mr. Gonzales and Mr. Card quickly departed, but Mr. Comey said he soon got an angry phone call from Mr. Card, demanding that he come to the White House. Mr. Comey said he replied: “After what I just witnessed, I will not meet with you without a witness, and I intend that witness to be the solicitor general of the United States.”

    Mr. Comey said he reached Theodore B. Olson, the solicitor general, at a dinner party. At the White House session, which included Mr. Olson, Mr. Gonzales, Mr. Comey and Mr. Card, the four officials discussed the impasse. Mr. Comey knew that other top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, wanted to continue the program.

    Mr. Card expressed concern about mass resignations at the Justice Department, Mr. Comey said. He told the Senate panel that he prepared a letter of resignation and that David Ayres, Mr. Ashcroft’s chief of staff, asked him to delay delivering it so that Mr. Ashcroft could join him. Mr. Comey said Mr. Mueller was also prepared to quit.

    The next morning, March 11, Mr. Comey went to the White House for a terrorism briefing. Afterward, he said Mr. Bush took him aside for a private 15-minute meeting in the president’s study, which Mr. Comey described as a “full exchange.”

    At Mr. Comey’s urging, Mr. Bush also met with Mr. Mueller, who emerged to inform Mr. Comey that the president had authorized the changes in the program sought by the Justice Department.

    “We had the president’s direction to do what we believed, what the Justice Department believed, was necessary to put this on a footing where we could certify to its legality,” Mr. Comey said. “And so we set out to do that and we did that.”

    Mr. Comey said he signed the reauthorization in “two or three weeks.” It was unclear from his testimony what authority existed for the program while the changes were being made. Mr. Comey said he shelved his resignation plans that day when terrorists set off bombs on commuter trains in Madrid.

    Mr. Comey left the Justice Department in August 2006, saying publicly that he had never intended to serve through the end of Mr. Bush’s second term. Privately, he has told friends that he grew weary of what he felt was increasing White House influence on the agency.

    Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, deflected questions about Mr. Comey’s testimony, but defended the N.S.A. program. Mr. Snow also noted that the Justice Department placed the program under the supervision of a special intelligence court earlier this year, which department officials said placed the program on an even firmer legal footing.

    “Jim Comey can talk about whatever reservations he may have had, but the fact is that there were strong protections in there,” Mr. Snow said. “This is a program that saved lives, that is vital for national security, and furthermore has been reformed in a bipartisan way that is in keeping with everybody.”

    Spokesmen for Mr. Ashcroft, Mr. Mueller, and the Justice Department declined to comment. Mr. Card did not respond to a reporter’s inquiries.
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    I think a little more highly of Ashcroft after reading that though Ashcroft has dug himself a very deep hole which will be difficult to get out of.
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      Re: The Incredibly Interesting Story of the NSA's domestic spying program

      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      (on a side note, Gonzales' running of the assylum makes Ashcroft look damned good in comparison, doesn't it?)
      I think a better phrasing would be "Anything that makes Ashcroft's reign look good only serves to highlight how disastrous Gonzales' has been." I don't particularly want to say his actions were good, even by comparison; people might be willing to settle for bad when the alternative is horrible.
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        Koyaanisqatsi beat me to it...

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          Re: Re: The Incredibly Interesting Story of the NSA's domestic spying program

          Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi

          people might be willing to settle for bad when the alternative is horrible.
          Many would argue that's how we ended up with 8 years of Bush to begin with.
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          • #6
            If people think Clinton's 8 years were worse then Bush Jr's then they are completely disconnected from reality.
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            • #7
              I thought that was a choice of "stupid and interesting versus mediocre and boring"
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Oerdin
                If people think Clinton's 8 years were worse then Bush Jr's then they are completely disconnected from reality.
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                • #9
                  KH, Guynemer had pointed out that certain people believed Clinton was so horrible that even a bad Bush was better. I responded that those people were disconnected from reality. Clinton was clearly one of the US's best Presidents in living memory while Bush is one of the worst if not the worst in living memory.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    KH, Guynemer had pointed out that certain people believed Clinton was so horrible that even a bad Bush was better
                    I don't see where he said that.

                    It wasn't a choice between Clinton and Bush; it was a choice between Gore and Bush or Kerry and Bush.

                    In neither of those cases was Clinton an "alternative" to Bush.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oerdin
                      KH, Guynemer had pointed out that certain people believed Clinton was so horrible that even a bad Bush was better. I responded that those people were disconnected from reality. Clinton was clearly one of the US's best Presidents in living memory while Bush is one of the worst if not the worst in living memory.
                      The question is, would you take Jimmy Carter over W.?
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                      • #12
                        Anything would be better.
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                        • #13
                          Are you kidding?

                          I'd take a hunk of dryer lint over W.
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                          • #14
                            Jimmy Carter was far less damaging to the international position of the US than W has been.

                            As for domestic issues: I have my doubts as to how much a President really affects the overall state of the United States' economy, and I'm damn sure that Bush's trampling of civil liberties and individual privacy was worse than anything Carter did at home.
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                            • #15
                              @ O., G., and K.H.

                              Good.
                              Some of my more conservative acquaintances would've said no. I was just checking.
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