Every advance in the history of the world is a result of black people

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Asher

Yes, they can.

And many do.

You can adopt.

You can't bare children though.

Not quite the same.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
You can't bare children though.

Wrong again!

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
You can't bare children though.

Yeah, b etor would arrest you if you tried.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
You can adopt.

You can't bare children though.

Not quite the same.

I can certainly have babies with my genes in them.

on you.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Wasn't Kid a history teacher?

JM

They learn that stuff in 7th grade World History. I taught 10th grade US History. I did my student teaching with 7th graders in World History though. The curriculum is designed to be less eurocentric. They teach "their" history. They teach Aztec history for the Mexicans and Egyptian history is suppose to be for the blacks.

[Jon Miller]

I didn't do 7th grade so I Can't say how it was in my junior high.

JM

[aneeshm]

These people sound scarily like the nutjobs who claim every single civilisation in this world was an off-shoot of a "Glorious Indian empire" which covered the entire world in the far, far past.

[Patroklos]

Egyptian history is taught in grade school as if it were the history of blacks.

The curriculum is designed to be less eurocentric. They teach "their" history. They teach Aztec history for the Mexicans and Egyptian history is suppose to be for the blacks.

They don't teach Egyptian history as a replacement for black history (they weren't black any ways), they just don't teach black history.

Simple fact is that in a world history class, where you have to pick and choose between what is important, merely interesting or inconsequential for curriculum/time available reasons, all of subsaharan Africa falls in the inconsequential (maybe a bit is merely interesting). Until of course it merges into events that are important (at which time US History covers it any ways).

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov


You can adopt.

You can't bare children though.

Not quite the same.

Neither gay nor heterosexual men can 'bear' children.

Women (heterosexual, lesbian or bisexual) bear children.

Was sex education skipped over in your school ? I'm starting to worry.

Gay men can of course (and do) father offspring. It's to do with that sperm thing...

(they weren't black any ways),

Nubian pharoahs weren't black ?

"Race meant nothing to these people," said William Y. Adams, an archaeologist from the University of Kentucky. "The Nubians had been Egyptians, they were invited as Egyptians, and they ruled as Egyptians. The fact that they were dark skinned didn't make any more difference than being blond or brunette means to us today."

http://afgen.com/nubian_kings.html

[Patroklos]

Nubian pharoahs weren't black ?

We have already been over this in this thread, please read.

Just because there were black Africans in Egypt, and yes this minority grew the further south you go for obvious reasons, the civilization as a whole was most definitely not black.

And for the purposes of this thread and the claim being discussed, the offenders are basing their claims on mostly Lower Kingdom things like philosophy that influenced the Greeks and the heritage of Cleopatra and the like.

Egyptian history is not "black" history and more than Oregon history is black history.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos




They don't teach Egyptian history as a replacement for black history (they weren't black any ways), they just don't teach black history.

Simple fact is that in a world history class, where you have to pick and choose between what is important, merely interesting or inconsequential for curriculum/time available reasons, all of subsaharan Africa falls in the inconsequential (maybe a bit is merely interesting). Until of course it merges into events that are important (at which time US History covers it any ways).

You're wrong. They are very carefull to cover the history of all the major ethnic groups of their students. That's how they pick and choose. There used to be more coverage of western history.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Egyptian history is not "black" history and more than Oregon history is black history.

The last part sounds like something they would say. That's precisely why they teach "black history" in 7th grade world history class.

[Patroklos]

You're wrong. They are very carefull to cover the history of all the major ethnic groups of their students.

Then your collegues are complete idiots. However, I suspect the Egyptians, which have always been covered btw, are included to provide AFRICAN history, not black.

What exactly would you teach in the "black" section (so ridiculous, but this is where you have led us too)? Especially when balanced against ancient/modern Europe, China, Middle East, India, and the Americas? There is nothing of consequence relative, until world history starts to combine.

It is a feel good solution, not an educational one.

Peanut Butter < Steam Engine

Zimbawe < Manchu Pichu/Rome/Damascus/Beijing/Memphis/Dehli/etc.

[Kidlicious]

This guy has a PhD too. Are you going to call him a nutjob too? I wonder how many other PhDs believe that Egypt was dominated by blacks?

black history europe by Joel A. Freeman PhD

Egypt has always been a place of fascination for the ancients outside the region of Egypt. For instance, two of the seven wonders of the World were situated in Egypt.

The Rosetta Stone was discovered during the Napoleonic Egyptian Campaign in 1799. In 1822 Jean Champollion was able to crack the code of hieroglyphics. Once the code of hieroglyphics had been cracked, it brought a renewed interest to that region of the world.

For the first time in thousands of years, utilizing the new-found skills of reading Egyptian hieroglyphics, people could corroborate certain historical events, people and places. The discovery of the Rosetta Stone and subsequent understanding of the esoteric hieroglyph language was the connection that brought everything to the forefront for "modern" people to wrestle with some realities.

European archaeologists, anthropologists and historians were in a catch-22 situation. On one hand they were seeing images of people with clear Afroid features as they traveled around Egypt.

On the other hand, there was the terrible history of the slave trade that had been going on for approximately 350 years prior. For Europeans to justify the economic drive of the slave trade, there had to be the denigration of people of African descent. (Also, let's not forget the complicity of African Kings in bringing their warring neighbors to the slave traders.) Since the slave trade had been going on for some 350 years, the negative view of Black people had permeated much of Europe, South and North America and the rest of the world.

There was a crisis of conscience, especially in the mid 1800s. How are the European archaeologists going to interpret what they are seeing and understanding, to an eager outside world? In my opinion, they blew a wonderful opportunity to share the truth. Instead most went to all sorts of ends to try to present Egyptians as though they were not of African descent. The book, Black Spark, White Fire (Richard Poe) addresses the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians in a most ingenious manner.

The one-drop rule worked in the US -- one drop of black blood makes one black. Let's reverse the standards for archaeologists and anthropologists when viewing ancient history -- one drop of white blood makes you white, no matter how curly the hair or thick the lips.

All of this impacted the world -- brought on by a specific event. In my opinion, the re-discovery of the Rosetta Stone was the catalyst that brought about the series of events that ultimately reshaped the thinking of people around the world regarding the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians.

In many sectors there seems to be some controversy about the racial make-up of the Egyptian people, i.e. whether they were White or Black. This is a simplistic approach to a much more complicated set of circumstances since Egypt's strategic location brought people in from the south with Nubian and equatorial African influence and from the northern coast of Africa and the Middle East with Afro-Mediterranean and Semitic influences. The Biblical record places Egypt among the "Black" countries. Melanin dosage tests of mummified remains (controversial due to damage caused by the embalming process) seem to indicate a level of melanocytes consistent with a people of a semi tropical to temperate climate zone.

Egypt continues to dominate the focus of our African oriented studies. These studies have clearly demonstrated that not only were early Egypt's origins African, but that through the whole of Egypt's Dynastic Era (the age of the Pharaohs), and during all of her many periods of national splendor, men and women with black skin complexions, broad noses, full lips, and tightly curled hair, were dominant in both the general population and governing elite.

In the intense and unrelenting struggle to establish scientifically the African foundations of Egyptian civilization, the late Senegalese scholar Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop remains a most fierce and ardent champion. Dr. Diop (1923-1986) was without a doubt one of the world's leading Egyptologist and held the position of Director of the Radiocarbon Laboratory at the Fundamental Institute of Black Africa in Dakar, Senegal. In stating the importance of the work, Diop noted emphatically and early on that, "The history of Black Africa will remain suspended in air and cannot be written correctly until African historians dare to connect it with the history of Egypt."

The solid range of methodologies employed by Dr. Diop in the course of his extensive Afro-Egyptian labors included: examinations of the epidermis of the mummies of Egyptian kings for verification of their melanin content; precise osteological measurements and meticulous studies in the various relevant areas of anatomy and physical anthropology; careful examinations and comparisons of modern Upper Egyptian and West African blood-types; detailed Afro-Egyptian linguistic studies and the corroboration of distinct Afro-Egyptian cultural traits; documents of racial designations employed by the early Africans themselves; Biblical testimonies and references that address the ancient Egyptian's ethnicity, race and culture; and the writings of early Greek and Roman travelers and scholars describing the physical characteristics of the ancient Egyptians.

The original Egyptians were unmixed pure black folks. When they were at the pinnacle of their glory they were not a mixed group by any means. During the middle dynasties especially (and later) when people migrated to this great land there was some intermarrying. This is natural and doesn't need to be debated. It was even done within royalty lines at times to solidify alliances, which was a common practice between powers during that period of history. Chancellor Williams refers to this phenomenon in his book "The Destruction of Black Civilization." And frankly, he theorizes that this mixing was part of the reason for the fall of Black Civilization. Nevertheless, there was never so much of this that at any time the ancient Egyptians could ever be classified as other than a black people.

It's reasonable to say that Egypt was a gateway for the meeting and interchange of goods, ideas, and people; and that the Egyptians were themselves a unique expression of human strength, beauty, intelligence and diversification. Ancient Egypt was an African civilization. It is also interesting to note that the Biblical record states "Israel also came into Egypt...the land of Ham." (Psalm 105: 23).

Plus we need to be reminded that Egypt is in Africa (not the Middle East) and that all of the Pharaohs (up to and including the 25th Dynasty) would have been required to "sit at the back of a bus" in the 1940s in Montgomery Alabama. Let's allow the pictures to speak for themselves...Ready?

[Kidlicious]

Anyone still in doubt should look at the photo galery on that web page.