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  • #46
    Illegal immigrants lose in FB vote

    By DAN RONAN / WFAA-TV




    FARMERS BRANCH — Voters in Farmers Branch Saturday resoundingly endorsed a controversial ordinance that requires renters to be legal residents in the United States.

    With all precincts reporting, 68 percent of voters said they favored the measure, an issue that has focused international attention on the Dallas suburb.

    Seven polling places were established for the expected large turnout; the city usually has only one voting location for a municipal election.

    At issue was Ordinance 2903, requiring landlords to verify a person is in the United States legally before they can rent or renew a lease or rental agreement.

    The only exception would be for mixed-status families.

    Several other cities across the nation have adopted or considered this type of legislation, but Farmers Branch is the first to put it before citizens in a vote.

    Councilman Tim O'Hare, who spearheaded the ordinance, claims that illegal immigrants are having a negative effect on the city. He knows the city faces a legal challenge ahead.

    "We will take this all the way to the Supreme Court if that's what we have to do," O'Hare declared after the vote. "Anyone that sues us, know that we will be aggressive pursuing them for our attorney fees when we prevail."

    Supporters said they want to make it clear illegals are not welcome in Farmers Branch.

    But opponents—while conceding that illegal immigration is a problem—maintained that this is a national issue and citizens who want to change the law should lobby the U.S. Congress.

    "This is not the responsibility of the City of Farmers Branch or of any other municipality; this is the responsibility of the federal government," said ordinance opponent Elizabeth Vialla Franca. "For any municipality to try to take the job of the federal government is not going to fly."

    Ordinance 2903 opponents also said enforcing the regulations and defending the city against the inevitable lawsuits will cost millions of dollars.

    "I think you will see with the new Council—which will convene for the first time in about 10 days—you're going to see that we're not going to sit down and take these lawsuits lightly," O'Hare said. "We will vigorously defend them, and the right to do what we want to do in our town."
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    • #47
      Originally posted by SlowwHand
      SlowwHand

      I am just curious, has anyone brought up what is required for identification to rent?

      I say this because the problem we face here is people change ID's by changing the name appearance (i.e. Rapheal Juan Hernandez to Juan Luis Hernandez or whatever) and have ID's for that name, all fictious.

      I was wondering if they were going to require a passport or not

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      • #48
        I vote that they should have free housing.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by PLATO
          This seems like such a simple question.

          "Illegal" immigrants. They are, by definition, in the act of committing a crime by their very presence here.

          So, the question really is: "Ban people in the act of committing a crime from renting apartments?"

          Seems like a simple answer to me...
          It's not illegal to be in the US, only to immigrate here.
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          • #50
            No, it's illegal to be here unregistered.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              btw, the question doesn't reduce to that, because you're only trying to ban some people in the act of committing a crime from renting apartments.
              I respectfully disagree. I believe that it does reduce to that point. Providing Jobs, Housing, and Services is the reason that people come here illegally...that and a myopic immigration policy. I am not saying that we do not need immigrants or foriegn labor...just that we need a sensible policy that will allow people to be able to immigrate and will also vet out undesirables (yes, I know "undesirable" is a slippery slope, but in this context I am refering to carriers of disease and those with criminal histories).

              The only way that I know of to push people into legal immigration is to deny them those jobs, housing, and services. Of course, Congress and the administration need to work to have a policy that makes sense as well.

              Lastly, I would seek to ban anyone in the act of committing a crime from jobs, housing, and services...unless, of course, they are provided by the local penitentiary.

              Oh, one last thing..."simple minded"? tsk...tsk.
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
                SlowwHand

                I am just curious, has anyone brought up what is required for identification to rent?

                I say this because the problem we face here is people change ID's by changing the name appearance (i.e. Rapheal Juan Hernandez to Juan Luis Hernandez or whatever) and have ID's for that name, all fictious.

                I was wondering if they were going to require a passport or not

                Gramps
                Pretty soon, all will need passports.
                USA to Mexico. Mexico to USA. I would think Canada, but who really knows?
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                • #53
                  I thought that passports to Mexico was already in place. I had to have one on my last trip to Cancun. (Went by Air from Atlanta so it may be different for land travel?)
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by PLATO
                    I respectfully disagree. I believe that it does reduce to that point.
                    Only if you simulataneously ban all people in the act of committing a crime from renting.

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                    • #55
                      It's phasing in. Sea travel next, then car and pedestrian... and swimming.
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #56
                        What a silly idea- turn landlords into immigration cops.

                        The problem is that the US is unwilling to secure its borders.
                        It hasn't secured the borders in Iraq either, and the result there has been a constant flow of foreign fighters and weapons.
                        It will take a while for the US to learn its lesson - right now the people in Washington have no interest in seeing illegal immigration stopped. The republicans like the cheap labor and the dems see friendly voters.
                        If Islamic terrorists cross the southern border and conduct a successful attack of some sort, then you will see action. The border wall will go up overnight. Immigration enforcement and the Border Patrol will get as absolutely insane as airport security is now. And you can expect more Patriot Act-style laws diminishing the privacy and liberty of citizens in the name of security.

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                        • #57
                          Have you tried to buy a house, or rent an apartment, without documentation?
                          What type place would you think would rent to someone with no proof of anything? A slumlord maybe?
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #58
                            Kuci, I believe I said that, didn't I?

                            Brutus66, I agree that the landlord should not be an "immigration cop". No one is suggesting that they be "immigration cops" as far as I can tell. They should bear some responsibility for knowing who they rent to however. Further, I agree completely that there are additional things that simply must be done by Congress and the admiistration working together. I believe that I quite clearly stated that.

                            Sloww, Thanks. Thought that might be the case.
                            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by PLATO
                              Kuci, I believe I said that, didn't I?
                              The point being that such a ban is impossible, and is designed to be selectively enforced against illegal immigrants.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                                The point being that such a ban is impossible, and is designed to be selectively enforced against illegal immigrants.
                                I have rarely seen a ban that was totally enforceable. The idea behind such things is to minimize their occurance as rational thought assures us of what you have rightly pointed out...they are impossible. However, further thought should be given to the word "illegal" in your statement. It is there because they are just that...illegal.

                                Now, you object to a selective enforcement, correct? Selective enforcement is quite common in reality. For example, a policeman let's speeders go by on a late Saturday night in order to watch for the car that is weaving in and out of its lane. Selective enforcement? Surely.

                                So how do we ensure that selective enforcement (if it is even necessary in this case as the set of peole actively engaged in a crime while renting property is sure to be relatively low) is done in a manner that appears to meet the greater good? You set a reasonable and responsible immigration policy and enforce it. Then you can hold the politicians accountable for where they select to enforce things.

                                As it is now we have a wholesale problem and the illegal immigrant is sure to be by far the largest subset of the set of all people commiting crimes that are attempting to rent housing.
                                Surely not to hard a concept for an intellectual like yourself when someone as simple minded as me can understand it.
                                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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