Piracy

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I think it's pretty close to optimal, within a quantitative adjustment (to the length of copyright).

You can think whatever you want. You remain wrong.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
As a matter of fact, I think that the copyright and patent systems are overly simplistic. They're crying out for reform.

The only major difference I would like to see is different terms for different types of work. That, and additional law to deal with abandonware.

[Kuciwalker]

Returning to the main topic: there's nothing morally wrong with infringement that increases utility, but such infringement still ought to be punished if detected.

[KrazyHorse]

1) I agree that different types of work should be protected differently

2) I would radically shorten the lifetime of copyrights (at least). Patents, maybe not. I would however, reform the patent review and granting system. The one the US practices is ridiculous. As an example, look at the RIM case. The patent infringement suit filed against them (and all the subsequent hassle and the huge out of court settlement which resulted) were based on patents which had not been approved, and were never going to be approved, since they were apparently groundless on their face. Even though everybody knew that as the case was being adjudicated, until final disapproval came down (which was years away), the patent holder still had a right to get a C&D order. They basically held RIM hostage with an invalid patent which was known to be invalid...

3) I would advocate a gradual phase-out of rights for IP. I'm not sure how this could be made to work. Perhaps a shift to a mandatory licensing system after a number of years.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Returning to the main topic: there's nothing morally wrong with infringement that increases utility, but such infringement still ought to be punished if detected.

Errr...no.

What ought to be done is reforming the IP system.

[Kuciwalker]

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[KrazyHorse]

Encouraging the IP holders with rigorous enforcement of a broken system isn't exactly a positive in my mind.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The rationalizations you people go through to justify your behavior is amusing.

I don't rationalize it. I know its theft and I don't care.

[SlowwHand]

Kuci and DD you can have your point of view until Hell freezes over. Wrong is wrong.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Downloading with p2p generally is, because you're uploading too. And, frankly, downloading should be against the law. If it's made so, don't complain.

Oh, grow up. If you don't like the laws here, don't move here.

For whatever reason, the recording industry decided to lobby for a levy to be charged on blank media, to compensate them for monies lost due to unpaid downloading. They've been happy to collect that levy and have made no noises about wanting it repealed. And I'm fine with paying it and downloading at will. Can't have it both ways - if they collect the levy as compensation for downloading, they can't ***** about people downloading. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.

As I have said before, the recording industry has made its own bed, and it can lie in it.

Oh, and I love being lectured on morality by citizens of a country that thinks it's fine to invade other countries for their oil, prevent couples in love from marrying, lock other people up for 10 years for pot possession, etc, etc. Seriously, grow a sense of proportion or something. And get that damn beam out of your eye, you'll break something with it.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by reds4ever
I don't rationalize it. I know its theft and I don't care.

I respect people like you more than the ones that go through stupid mental gymnastics like "But there's a difference between stealing for poor mom & pop outfits and rich corporations."

[reds4ever]

Thanks DD.

I wouldn't rob a Granny though.....

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I respect people like you more than the ones that go through stupid mental gymnastics like "But there's a difference between stealing for poor mom & pop outfits and rich corporations."

One is illegal. One isn't.

No gymnastics required.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
Oh, grow up. If you don't like the laws here, don't move here.

WTF?

For whatever reason, the recording industry decided to lobby for a levy to be charged on blank media, to compensate them for monies lost due to unpaid downloading. They've been happy to collect that levy and have made no noises about wanting it repealed. And I'm fine with paying it and downloading at will. Can't have it both ways - if they collect the levy as compensation for downloading, they can't ***** about people downloading. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.

They can very much do so. In fact, they have the legal right to do so by suing you if they find out. Don't like the law there? Don't move there.

If you have any cite that the law establishing the Canadian blank media levy also granted all Canadians immunity from piracy charges, I'd love to see it.

Oh, and I love being lectured on morality by citizens of a country that thinks it's fine to invade other countries for their oil, prevent couples in love from marrying, lock other people up for 10 years for pot possession, etc, etc. Seriously, grow a sense of proportion or something. And get that damn beam out of your eye, you'll break something with it.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
One is illegal. One isn't.

No gymnastics required.

There's a clause in Canada's copyright law that makes it legal to steal from large corporations and illegal to steal from small businesses?