On Asher's Gayness.

[Kuciwalker]

There's really nothing more to say about this except that your theory isn't grounded in any actual biology and therefore is fairly meaningless.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Just stop, please.

(Specifically, this obsession with such a huge linear influence of testosterone levels.)

edit: damnit, I'm getting you two mixed up

My plan is coming to fruition ...

Seriously though, I wasn't implying a linear influence, just that if there is any correlation, that's one possible reason for it.

[Kuciwalker]

And most of my [serious] posts on Apolyton aren't vague, just indirect, mostly because it amuses me to see people like Oerdin or GePap take dozens of posts to figure out my arguemnt [which has been perfectly clear to plenty of others from the start].

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by snoopy369
My plan is coming to fruition ...

Seriously though, I wasn't implying a linear influence, just that if there is any correlation, that's one possible reason for it.

I know just enough biology to know that the body is infinitely more complex than it's being treated in this thread.

[Ecthy]

Biology is so descriptive. What we need to finally explain the field of sexuality is cognitive sciences. And even if it's just because it's such a smart word.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Sn00py
snoopy, if you believe that society is a major factor in shaping whether you are gay or straight, then I guess the best way to prove that theory is to find a gay person in a tribe of very few people that are against male and male courtship.

I have not heard or read of any, but I have strong feelings that there are men who are born with attraction for men only; I profoundly disagree that society has much influence on what sex you prefer.

Do you ask them when they come out of the womb?

If not, then environmental effects occur from day one. Who knows what might influence one's orientation? Maybe if you're entirely bottle-fed, you're more likely to be gay (no breast fixation). Maybe if you're allowed a pacifier longer, you're more likely to be gay (sucking fixation). Maybe if you have a close uncle as a child who is nicer to you than your parents, you're more likely to be gay.

Or any of those things could go the other way, too ... or none of them have any effect, which is much more likely since I'm just spouting them off at random. Point is, environmental/social effects are numerous and unmeasurable. I'm not talking about something as simple as social preference (though that has some effect undoubtedly, at least on the actual coming out), but about the complex interactions that make people into who we are.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Biology is so descriptive. What we need to finally explain the field of sexuality is cognitive sciences. And even if it's just because it's such a smart word.

Cog sci

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I know just enough biology to know that the body is infinitely more complex than it's being treated in this thread.

Certainly, although I have no doubt that there is some effect from testosterone - whether it be levels overall, levels at certain points in development, etc. - on sexual preference, it is more complex than simply "more testosterone = more gay".

Or not. Who knows? The body is incredibly complex, but it can be incredibly simple at times

[Ecthy]

I think Asher was spot on when he got onto that "sexual identity" stuff. So mix in a bit of sociology and there we go

[Spiffor]

Has anybody yet mentioned that Asher claims he has abnormally high levels of testosterone?

[Last Conformist]

Why do people feel the need to dress up their pop-psych speculations in half-digested biochem?

Well, apart from impressing idiots?

[Ecthy]

You answered it.

[Sirotnikov]

Now, on to Asher. Have any of you noticed, that the pictures he has posted of guys he finds "cute" are very feminine type of men? The most recent example I can recall right now is the boy from the TV show "Heroes". This guy is gay, he does not behave girly, but his features are a bit soft and "sweet".

Actually research shows that females also tend to like slightly 'feminine' male types, over brutish manly men.

Think of the huge success of Leonardo Di Caprio or Brad Pit.

[Starchild]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Why do people feel the need to dress up their pop-psych speculations in half-digested biochem?

Sometimes I think I understand how KH feels when reading someone's ideas about physics that are so completely out of touch that you debate if correcting them is worth the time.

[Last Conformist]

Free will is a legal fiction.