Permanent Constitution or a Permanently Changing One?

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
That was impressive.

It was done for a reason.

[Kuciwalker]

Trying to make Emperor?

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
4) That in itself says a lot against you.

What, that the constitution doesn't protect fetuses?


If it doesn't, and the fetus isn't a person then they can never be protected because they are not considered humans under the constitution. its not stated anywhere that potential life is life in the constitution. So it is a violation of privacy if we prevent people from having an operation that doesn't harm the person wanting it beyond what they accept.

So what is it, the constitution is a living document that can be interpreted to protect a fetus because many people of our time think that they are, or its a dead document that doesn't because the founding fathers didn't consider a fetus a person at the time?

[Kuciwalker]

you're ignorant of both my argument and your own.

[MRT144]

yep I ignored your argument because you didnt have one.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by MRT144
yep I ignored your argument because you didnt have one.

unless you were saying the supreme court is a good thing, which we agree on...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MRT144
yep I ignored your argument because you didnt have one.

And you then made up random **** that has nothing to do with anything.

[Kuciwalker]

Specifically, this:

Originally posted by MRT144
What, that the constitution doesn't protect fetuses?

blah blah

false dilemma

is completely random.

[Ecthy]

Has public opinion in the US now finally swung against abortion?

[EyesOfNight]

I don't think public opinion in the US was ever really for abortion, at least not in its present form. I think most people are ok with abortions in circumstances that require it such as incest, rape, or when the mother's life is in danger. When people start having abortions to select gender or because they forgot to use contraceptive then you have a problem. I won't even get started on partial birth abortions which I would think anyone who isn't completely deficient in morals would find to be outright murder.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Has public opinion in the US now finally swung against abortion?

Thank you for bringing this up. Even now the population opposes the absolute legality of all abortions* that has existed (until very recently) since Roe. Most of the population also opposes absolute restrictions on abortion. We're actually fairly moderate, but one reason Roe was a terrible decision was the incredible polarizing effect it's had.

The other reason is it's just a bad decision. It's very weakly founded in the Constitution.

* technically Roe permitted some restrictions, but no laws passed met its tests.

[Kuciwalker]

btw, MRT, the Constitution is a living document that has evolved over the centuries. By amendment.

[Ecthy]

Hmm, interesting. Over here many seem to be OK with abortions also in case of unwanted pregnancy (as in "forgot contraceptive" as our less subtle forum member put it) And so am I, though I agree people should use contraceptives more awarely.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
btw, MRT, the Constitution is a living document that has evolved over the centuries. By amendment.

so where is the amendment that makes a fetus a person. i made the case that the judges were not activist by the rationale the used in deciding the legality of banning abortion.

[Kuciwalker]

No one believes the Constitution makes abortion illegal.