The atheist thread

[ZEE]

Originally posted by Arcite
IMO gods are for the superstitious, delusional, and brainwashed.

brainwashed says you...
you have no idea says i...
you want to see brainwashed?
or a washed-out- brain...
15 years sun... 15 years exp to be unleashed...
ANGER i feel...
NOpiece4u

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by Starchild
I basically had to admit my limitations. While the human mind can conceive and understand the universe in all its glory and subtle beauty, anything that could be called God is outside our frame of reference. I can't prove or disprove whether such a being exists so I lead my life based on how I interpret the evidence to hand. That evidence right now seems to me to be a universe rather indifferent to our existence and where morality springs from human nature and society.

I've got no problem with people who believe in God. They've seen the evidence and interpreted it differently. Its people, atheists or fundementalists, who claim to know The Truth (tm) that get on my nerves.

The point is:
yes we have limitations and you can't really know anything for sure.
But that's just the first step. If you actually used this as a rule for behavior, you couldn't actually do anything in real life. You have to get passed that basic uncertainty and still make decision.
When you go see a movie, you believe that there are more chances of the cinema still being there and showing the movie than it transformed into a giant bee hive since last time you were there. (even if you can't be sure).
So the fact that you don't know something FOR SURE, doesn't prevent you from making decisions and even from judging people who don't interpret the evidence the same way (you would probably laugh at your friend who doesn't want to go to the cinema because he thinks the cinema changed into a giant bee hive).
In this way, you're no different than atheists.

We have imperfect information about the world, but must make the best of what we know.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
That's why most of their arguments are just the kind of crap that 12-year olds ask when they're old enough to understand that litteral interpretation of sacred texts obviously doesn't work, but are yet too ignorant of culture to try to seek answers beyond common discourse.

OMG, I agree with Oncle Boris.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Lul Thyme
something

Wrong.
Why don't you try to seek answers beyond common discourse

[Fake Boris]

Most atheists believe in metaphysical stuff as mysterious and occult as God anyway. Your point ?

[ZEE]

serious discussion we have maybie...?

perhaps trolls should stay out...?
lest the piece-keeper gets you...?
directed at nobody in particular...?
but if you get offended...?
then perhaps it IS meant for you...?
may God bless your souls...?
piece

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by Tacc


Wrong.
Why don't you try to seek answers beyond common discourse

What statement of mine do you find wrong?
Care to elaborate so I can also respond to your posts?

Or I can just :

Originally posted by Tacc
to

Wrong

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Lul Thyme


What statement of mine do you find wrong?
Care to elaborate so I can also respond to your posts?

As your divine saviour, I will forgive your blasphemy for now. I realise that you are young and ignorant. Still, because it is a given that you would come to believe in me if only you studied just a bit more, why not just worship me now?

If you can't disprove me...then why *not* worship me?

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Most atheists believe in metaphysical stuff as mysterious and occult as God anyway. Your point ?

I wasn't defending atheists as such.
I wasn't even saying that I am against the idea of God.

I just find that the line of thought:
"You don't know for sure about God, therefore you must not choose either way and stay right in the middle"
is a bit hypocritical, as every single decision made, every opinion held is based on very imperfect evidence.

If you REALLY are on the fence with regards to the "evidence", fine.
But to say that not choosing is the only logical option is wrong, IMO.

[Arcite]

I see where this thread is going... tolerance people!

The secret is tolerance. Oh and secularism. But definitely tolerance.

[Straybow]

Re: The atheist thread

Originally posted by Thue
I have been reading "The God Delusion" and browsing atheist web sites recently, and have formed a solid atheist belief that religion is false (false meaning filled with claims that are simply (and often obviously) false.)

...And now for the first link: A parable about god, religious commandments, and the whole "do as I say, you will get rewarded after death" thing : Kissing Hank's Ass

Yawn.

Seen that before, and it is "false" (by the same standard). No mortal can morally demand worship from another.

[Arcite]

Re: Re: The atheist thread

No mortal can morally demand worship from another.

Sure they can! Not everyone has the same set of morals after all.

[Nubclear]

Well, morality flows from me, and I agree with him. Mortals shouldn't be trying to steal my thunder

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Lul Thyme


I wasn't defending atheists as such.
I wasn't even saying that I am against the idea of God.

I just find that the line of thought:
"You don't know for sure about God, therefore you must not choose either way and stay right in the middle"
is a bit hypocritical, as every single decision made, every opinion held is based on very imperfect evidence.

If you REALLY are on the fence with regards to the "evidence", fine.
But to say that not choosing is the only logical option is wrong, IMO.

We agree, I was responding to Tass.

Oh and Tass -

[Nubclear]

Oh.

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Most atheists believe in metaphysical stuff as mysterious and occult as God anyway. Your point ?

Indeed. Many atheists have plenty of other strange beliefs, therefore clearly I am your God Even atheistlogic demands worshipping me.