British Agressor blames black youth

[Gibsie]

Camden tends to smell of other things, really...

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Jesus Christ, Gibsie. Calm down. Don't take this personally.

No expletives or exasperation from me, just because your arguments aren't being taken as gospel don't pretend anyone is getting worked up (Unless you are, yourself).

but even so what it demonstrates is that the current spate of killings in London is an anomaly.

To be honest, this is all one big red herring. London is the biggest city in the UK with a massive population and greatest population density. If there's going to be problems within any community, it'll surface within London first. And other crime-ridden areas second (E.g. Manchester's Moss Side). Thus what has been highlighted is exactly what should have been expected.

Secondly- given that you quoted a massive series of raids on "key properties" in one of Britain's largest and most notorious cities, wouldn't you expect more than one gun to be found?

That probably just says more about how ineffectual the police's actions were, sadly! The police tried to justify their find by saying each gun may be used 15-20 times but I do think that they problebly shot themselves in the foot (Arg, forgive the pun).

I read it all, and that's why I pointed out there appears to be no murders- as the two killed (which you'll note I acknowledged) were killed in self-defence.

They tried to kill two targets and instead were killed themselves, by guns. I don't think the fact they were incompetent makes the story any less valid, the over-riding fact is that two black men were hired to murder two other men, and people died. Not something that can be ignored, really.

Yes- the gunmen were black, but were the killings linked to black gun culture? Had they been white, would that have meant there was a link to white gun culture? This looks like a double-standard to me.

There is a gun culture, which affects both whites and blacks. But it's the latter that seem to be more affected by it, for reasons that don't include the colour of their skin. However if action is to be taken to limit the "gun culture" effect on black communities, you gotta get through the denial stage first.

And yes, if all black gun crime was in fact commited by white people against white people, then I'm quite certain that we'd be asking ourselves why so many white people are acting in this way.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Gibsie
There is a gun culture, which affects both whites and blacks. But it's the latter that seem to be more affected by it, for reasons that don't include the colour of their skin.

In which case you'd expect to see similar levels of gun killings in other cities with significant levels of black people- Birmingham, Sheffield, Bristol, Liverpool, Newcastle, Cardiff, Glasgow. But where are they?

However if action is to be taken to limit the "gun culture" effect on black communities, you gotta get through the denial stage first.

Take that third link you posted- what is it that marks that incident out as being down to "black gun/gang culture"?

And yes, if all black gun crime was in fact commited by white people against white people, then I'm quite certain that we'd be asking ourselves why so many white people are acting in this way.

Take the Troubles- hundreds of gun deaths inflicted by white people. Is that white gun culture?

Take all the deaths involved with football hooliganism in the 70's and 80's. White boot culture?

Take the hundreds killed by Shipman, Adams, Allitt etc. Is that white poison culture?

In my opinion, the answer's "no" in every case. What's the race go to do with anything? That being the case, why should we let it cloud our judgement in the case of these latest killings.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Lots of Japanese people with bright blue hair, and a faint smell of urine if my memories of Camden are representative.

Your memories are just crass stereotypes, I'm afraid.

[Cort Haus]

Actually Camden may soon be smelling of the spent gun cartridges as evil property gazzumpers get gunned down in fury by their hapless victims (like me). At least, I would if I knew I could get away with it.

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Take the Troubles- hundreds of gun deaths inflicted by white people. Is that white gun culture?

Take all the deaths involved with football hooliganism in the 70's and 80's. White boot culture?

Take the hundreds killed by Shipman, Adams, Allitt etc. Is that white poison culture?

In my opinion, the answer's "no" in every case. What's the race go to do with anything? That being the case, why should we let it cloud our judgement in the case of these latest killings.

In each of the examples, there was a prevailing circumstance that was addressed, as long as it may have taken. I don't believe the problems rectified themselves by acting like there was no problem. But maybe I have an exaggerated idea of the problem by personally seeing aspects of it (Not anything overly violent) among black gangs and having friends who live(d) in affected areas. Maybe there is no gun culture.