British Agressor blames black youth

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Stevie Wonder too- and Colin Powell, Condi Rice and Marsalis.

And they're all so highly regarded by our wonderful, cultured, edumacated youths.

Ned

Not because one of the suspects in the failed London bomb plot is meant to have disguised himself in a burqa then ?

Not that I'm Ned, but I think we'd make general exceptions for people trying to board aircraft wearing burqa.

Or because terrorism can be committed by young and old, male and female ?

' Men do it, women do it, even priests in the comfort of their soutanes do it, let's all make a bomb...'

That would be a problem on your side of the pond. We haven't really had to worry too much about the Irish over here.

[Dauphin]

You do have an Irish problem, everyone there is claiming to be Irish.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

And they're all so highly regarded by our wonderful, cultured, edumacated youths.

I'm sure not all young black, Asian or white youths grow up solely on a diet of gangsta rap and Tarantino films.

Not that I'm Ned,

Mercifully only one has been detected living in the wild.

but I think we'd make general exceptions for people trying to board aircraft wearing burqa.

Then let's not all assume that Muslims are :

terrorists

wear big beards

have bombs under their turbans (if worn)

are brownish

male.

We do have some experience checking for bombs and such like over here, you know.

It was a regular feature of trips by aeroplane to Dublin airport- an exhaustive search of hand luggage and pat downs- old, young, male, female.

It's not like the I.R.A. went around with balaclavas and tricolours on all the time....

We haven't really had to worry too much about the Irish over here.

Except for certain muisguided Americans funding terrorism and missile and gun deals on American soil...

Across the Atlantic, the IRA's arms-buying network was overhauled and streamlined. A senior IRA figure came over from Ireland and told veteran arms supplier, George Harrison, that he was being stood down. Harrison had been diligent in his job. Throughout the seventies, he had shipped over 2,500 weapons and a million rounds of ammunition to Ireland. The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) believe that this figure is a 'conservative estimate'

[...]

The British were delighted that at long last the United States Govenunent, now under President Reagan, had grasped the fact that much of the blood being spilled on Irish soil was the result of American arms and money.

[...] Word had come from a senior IRA figure at GHQ, who today is believed to be one of the most uncompromising members of the IRA's ruling Army Council, that the men on the ground, in particular in operational areas like South Armagh, needed missiles to shoot down British army helicopters and deny the enemy their dominance of the skies.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/readings/america.html

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by C0ckney


(molly is also a big fan of this sneaky little ploy),

I am ? Thanks for reading my posts so attentively.

I'll try to repay the compliment some day.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Here's a poser.

There are black communities in cities all over Britain. If this spate of gun crime is a "black culture" issue, why aren't we seeing it outside of London?

Why isn't it a "London culture" issue? It strikes me that taking an issue around two or three gangs in London, and labelling Black culture as the problem requires some pretty tenuous reasoning.

[Gibsie]

There's no gun crime or gangs in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham etc.?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

From the last two years, find me any city in Britain posting 3 or more gun-killings from black gangs within a 12-month timespan.

If the BCS is accurate, you may struggle. True, you had that spate in Nottingham from a few years back, but that's gone now.

So if this is a "black culture" problem rather than a regional anomaly, where are they hiding?

[Gibsie]

What on earth are the police playing at here Lazarus?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6517967.stm

Searching homes for guns? Outside London? Are they unaware that gun crime and gangs are a problem restricted solely to London?

[Gibsie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/file_on_4/6495555.stm

Perhaps you should tell the family of Jessie James that gangs and guns are not a problem outside of London.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us on this occasion Lazarus, but I sincerely doubt that any problems with gun crime that inordinantly affect black communities will be solved by pretending they don't exist.

[Gibsie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6475601.stm

I believe that's three? How long did that take then... just under ten minutes.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

First link- no deaths. No links demonstrated to black gang culture. Also note that the raids on 200 homes revealed the grand total of one firearm. I could probably quote this link to support my argument.

Second link- one death in September 2006.

Third link- two death in March 2006. Note, however, that the suspects are middle-aged and one is a white woman, which is hardly the sort of demographic we're looking for. Also it's interesting to note that there were no actual murders in this case.

That's Greater Manchester- usually hailed as one of the toughest areas of the country. Yet as shown here, it's hard to demonstrate nationwide outbreaks of gun slayings by black gangs. That's why I dispute the notion that it's a problem with black culture.

[Gibsie]

The third link, if you care to look beyond the picture at the top of the page, tells how the two black youths were trying to murder another target, but instead became victims of their own guns. If you wish me to search for more evidence of gun crime among black gangs it may be difficult as not every victim is such a paragon of virtue as the Jessie James boy who could've gone on to defy stereotype, and so does not yield the same media attention. You'll probably only be satisfied if I can show murder convictions as well, which is awfully convenient, given how long it can take people to be brought to justice.

I also like how you wave off the third link by saying there were "no murders"... if you really feel you have to play the semantics card, then you might notice you asked for "three gun-killings" which is what I showed you. I assume three must be the magic number, since that is what you asked for, after all.

And yes, what a shocker, that the greatest level of criminal activity is in a) the largest city in the UK and b) such a "hard" area. Why don't you just ask me to provide evidence from a quiet country town, perhaps one full of retired people, as that'll surely provide you with all the statistics you need to ignore any problems.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Here's a poser.

There are black communities in cities all over Britain. If this spate of gun crime is a "black culture" issue, why aren't we seeing it outside of London?

Why isn't it a "London culture" issue? It strikes me that taking an issue around two or three gangs in London, and labelling Black culture as the problem requires some pretty tenuous reasoning.

What is London culture?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Gibsie
I also like how you wave off the third link by saying there were "no murders"... if you really feel you have to play the semantics card, then you might notice you asked for "three gun-killings" which is what I showed you. I assume three must be the magic number, since that is what you asked for, after all.

And yes, what a shocker, that the greatest level of criminal activity is in a) the largest city in the UK and b) such a "hard" area. Why don't you just ask me to provide evidence from a quiet country town, perhaps one full of retired people, as that'll surely provide you with all the statistics you need to ignore any problems.

Jesus Christ, Gibsie. Calm down. Don't take this personally.

Check out the British Crime Survey's homicide figures- the level of homicides attributed to "gang activity" is running at an average of about 1% of homicides annually. That's about 8-9 per year. Yes- there is an unresolved question of attribution with the "Other" category, but even so what it demonstrates is that the current spate of killings in London is an anomaly.

Secondly- given that you quoted a massive series of raids on "key properties" in one of Britain's largest and most notorious cities, wouldn't you expect more than one gun to be found?

The third link, if you care to look beyond the picture at the top of the page, tells how the two black youths were trying to murder another target, but instead became victims of their own guns.

I read it all, and that's why I pointed out there appears to be no murders- as the two killed (which you'll note I acknowledged) were killed in self-defence.

Yes- the gunmen were black, but were the killings linked to black gun culture?

Had they been white, would that have meant there was a link to white gun culture?

This looks like a double-standard to me.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Doddler


What is London culture?

Lots of Japanese people with bright blue hair, and a faint smell of urine if my memories of Camden are representative.