How do you, as a meat-eater, justify the violence inherent in your food?

[lord of the mark]

Re: Re: How do you, as a meat-eater, justify the violence inherent in your food?

Originally posted by Wycoff
Human rights are abstract concepts based upon cognition and self awareness.

Eat any newborn babies lately?

[aneeshm]

@ LOTM

Spot on.

The "it's natural" argument went out the window the minute Eve took a bite of that apple.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Your argument is faulty. It assumes that the importance is in relative intelligence rather than absolute intelligence.

Its not at all clear that theres any logical relationship between intelligence and consumability. Its basically a post hoc rationalization. If we found that tasty animals could do calculus, we'd come up with a different rationale, without a doubt.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by lord of the mark I have resolved not to eat the meat of dear, buffalo, goat. I have managed to stick to this.

You're missing out. Venison is delicious.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by lord of the mark I think the idea is that humans are beyond animals in our ability to reason ethically. Its got less to do with justice, and more to do with what we as humans aspire to being.

What do we aspire to be? How does that aspiration necessarily preclude meat eating?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Its not at all clear that theres any logical relationship between intelligence and consumability. Its basically a post hoc rationalization. If we found that tasty animals could do calculus, we'd come up with a different rationale, without a doubt.

Welcome to the world of morality

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by molly bloom


So why don't some Hindus eat garlic or onions ?

Because they respect higher life forms ?

Red herring. Aneeshm was asserting vegetarianism in general, not Hinduism in particular.

If I were to suggest that pigs are too intelligent too eat, would that suggest to you that I think shrimp and oysters are intelligent?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wycoff


You're missing out. Venison is delicious.

Ive eaten venison in the past. It was ok.

[Wycoff]

Re: Re: Re: How do you, as a meat-eater, justify the violence inherent in your food?

Originally posted by lord of the mark Eat any newborn babies lately?

Seriously, what do you think human rights are, from where do they derive, and by what criteria do you apply them?

[Nubclear]

Basically, only LOTM knows the "true" morality - everyone else is just creating post hoc rationalisations to fulfill their primal desires.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by molly bloom


So why don't some Hindus eat garlic or onions ?

Because they respect higher life forms ?

No. That's because onions and garlic are supposed to lead people to tamas, or inertness, dullness, inertia, associated with the lower emotions and mental states. Nothing to do with the sanctity of the onions or garlic themselves.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wycoff


What do we aspire to be?

As respectful as possible of other animate life? Less bloodthirsty? More humane?

How many of the folks attacking Aneeshm make an effort to eat cruelty-free meat? How many have the slightest concern with conditions on farms and at slaughtering plants? It might suggest that things dont stop at meat eating, that theres a slippery slope to animal cruelty beyond what is necessary for meateating.

[aneeshm]

And as for Hinduism - it doesn't prohibit the eating of meat, so please don't try that stupid argument.

[lord of the mark]

Re: Re: Re: Re: How do you, as a meat-eater, justify the violence inherent in your food?

Originally posted by Wycoff




Seriously, what do you think human rights are, from where do they derive, and by what criteria do you apply them?

I love these minor questions.

There are obviously many opinions on that.

But none that base it purely on self awareness can ban baby eating.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Tacc
Basically, only LOTM knows the "true" morality - everyone else is just creating post hoc rationalisations to fulfill their primal desires.

I assert no true moralityon this question. I merely question the "its ok to eat them cause theyre dumb" assertion, at least without a fuller explanation of why that is relevant. I can think of a few, but it doesnt seem to me that most who go to that assertion have done so.