British Aggressors! Coming Soon To A Theater Near You!

[Ned]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Says the man who quotes Holocaust denial websites and a high school girl's essay.


I'll wager my racist Socialist anti-family education against yours any day.

It seems to me that propaganda has become history.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


without thinking too too hard, Id probably say Emma Thompson.

A solid choice.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ned


It seems to me that propaganda has become history.

Only between your ears.


But nature abhors a vacuum, so...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ned

In my view, America's racism is largely attributably to the sons of England.

You coulda knocked me dahn wivva fevver!

I never knew you'd lay the blame there, really.

An Irish mob then attacked two hundred blacks who were working on the docks, while other rioters went into the streets in search of "all the negro porters, cartmen and laborers . . . they could find." They were routed by the police.

[...]

After the mob pulled Franklin's body from the lamppost, a sixteen-year-old Irish man, Patrick Butler, dragged the body through the streets by its genitals.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/317749.html

Daniel Patrick Moynihan in 'American Enterprise':

Of course. There was a flood of immigrants from Ireland. Probably a third of them did not speak English. They couldn’t do anything but laboring work, pick and shovel.

The draft riots were the worst violence in the city ever. Burning a Negro orphanage! Mostly Irish instigated.

Arise, ye brave sons of Erin...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike


A solid choice.

She also does an American accent pretty well.

If you haven't seen Primary Colors, you need to. Ms Thompson really captures the character she plays, amazingly well.

Now I saw that performance, and said - thats who we need leading the Western world in these difficult times. Others may not agree.

[DrSpike]

There was a really good interview with her and Jonathan Ross a few months back. Try and download it if you can - I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy it.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by molly bloom

Arise, ye brave sons of Erin...

In fairness, the Irish who rioted in NY in 1863, and also in the Pennsylvania coalfields, did have a pretty raw deal, faced some fairly intense discrimination (not as bad as the blacks, of course) that had a fair degree of transatlantic continuity, and were pretty griped at being drafted to fight a war they didnt believe in, and that rich folks could get out of by paying a substitute.

But then Im sure you know all that, and wouldnt have overlooked it if you werent arguing with Ned. Try not to let him drag you down.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

Try not to let him drag you down.

I look into the abyss, but not protractedly.


The blame game Ned's latched onto is a denial of history and historical methods, based on appalling 'scholarship', outright lies and conclusions in search of justifications.

[Ned]

molly, I do not deny the Irish were very much involved in the draft riots. I will concede that point to you.

But it is also true that the Irish themselves were subject to discrimination for a very long time. And it wasn't just here in the United States that this was true. The story of Ned Kelly of Australia is a story of British hatred for the Irish.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ned
molly, I do not deny the Irish were very much involved in the draft riots. I will concede that point to you.

Imagine- other people were racist, not just the British. Or English.

Whoda thunk ?

But it is also true that the Irish themselves were subject to discrimination for a very long time.

So ? No reason to be racist. Or are you suggesting, 'monkey see, monkey do' ?

And it wasn't just here in the United States that this was true. The story of Ned Kelly of Australia is a story of British hatred for the Irish

I thought it was the story of someone little better than a common or garden crook. But then I've only lived in Victoria and been to Kelly Country.

Your simplification of Ned Kelly's life and 'career' is yet another of your simplistic anti-Brit diatribes and can be safely disregarded as lacking any foundation.