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Crazy libertarians.
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Crazy libertarians.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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it isn't about my ideology, its about what the Constitution says. If I cant be required to incriminate myself because that violates the 5th Amendment, why can I be coerced into filing a return that can be used to incriminate me?Comment
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Did you try and cheat on your taxes? Are you being audited?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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no, I just see a conflict with the 5th created by filing returns. Thats why filing is "voluntary"...Comment
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common senseOriginally posted by Berzerker
it isn't about my ideology, its about what the Constitution says. If I cant be required to incriminate myself because that violates the 5th Amendment, why can I be coerced into filing a return that can be used to incriminate me?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Errr.. really?Originally posted by Berzerker
but yes, I'd rather Congress tell me what I owe rather than have Congress tell me to figure out what I owe and then put me in a cage if I'm wrong.
Man, that'd be really frightening.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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the 5th Amendment is negated by filing a tax returnComment
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Why? That way I dont have to pay a lawyer to figure out what I owe and then be put in jail if mistakes are made. Congress has the power to levy taxes, not coerce us to levy taxes on ourselves under penalty of law.Errr.. really?
Man, that'd be really frightening.Comment
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I don't think you can be thrown in jail for making a mistake on your return, only for intentional fraud.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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See my last post, and no one is forcing you to hire a lawyer.Originally posted by Berzerker
Why? That way I dont have to pay a lawyer to figure out what I owe and then be put in jail if mistakes are made. Congress has the power to levy taxes, not coerce us to levy taxes on ourselves under penalty of law.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Gee, who gets to decide if my mistake was innocent or fraudulent? Me, you, a jury? Nope, the IRS... You're still missing the point, filing a return incriminates the filer. That violates the 5th Amendment...I don't think you can be thrown in jail for making a mistake on your return, only for intentional fraud.
Who said I was forced to hire a lawyer?See my last post, and no one is forcing you to hire a lawyer.Comment
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Nope you go to tax court.Originally posted by Berzerker
Gee, who gets to decide if my mistake was innocent or fraudulent? Me, you, a jury? Nope, the IRS...
Well maybe, but you still have to file one or we all have to pay for the IRS to do it. That means, OMFG! more taxes and bigger govt!You're still missing the point, filing a return incriminates the filer. That violates the 5th Amendment...I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Berz, is your complaint i) that you are incriminating yourself on the return by legally affirming that you have a debt owed (and hence it can be used in cases of tax evasion when you don't pay said debt), or ii) that you are incriminating yourself by potentially lying on a document that you are being forced to fill in (and hence attempting tax evasion)?One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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If the tax return asks you if any of your money is illegally gained, then I can understand your concern. As is, I can't think that an incorrect return will result in anything more than a fine if done by honest mistake.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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