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    So Saturday night I spent the night reading about interesting older Christianities.

    I started out looking at the Orthodox. There are splinter groups from them known as Old Beleivers. They came about because of the Russian Orthodox moving closer to the Greek Orthodox (mistakenly beleiving that it was closer to the old school Orthodox). Among the changes made were using two fingers versus three as the sign of the cross, and other such ritualistic and formal things.

    The groups split off, this was way back pre 1600s I think. Since no Bishop left with them (well, one did, but he was killed)... they had no natural priests (After a bit). One of the major groups found a Bishop who was forced to flee and got him to set them up with Bishops. Others just quit doing sacrements.. quit having church/etc. Strangely, these groups have survived to this day... which seems weird to me (very unorganized, and often persecuted). Interestingly, among the sacrements that some quit taking part of was the sacrement of marriage.

    Then I read some about the other Orthodox churchs. These broke off before the Eastern Orthodox/Roman split... They are fairly well known (The Coptics and Armenians and Ethiopians for example).

    And then I read about an earlier split off, the Assyrian church (or something). Amazingly it is still around, it's split off was in 437 BC or something like that (supposedly related to nestorianism, but on reading it seems to mostly have been pushed by the Persian king wanting to distance Christians in his nation from Rome). Amazingly, this group had spread all the way to china before 1000 AD. Unfortunately, there was persectution, which weakened it in India and China. When China became more open recently, they discovered that there was still an Assyrian Church there, after 1000 years of seperation (very small, of course). I would like to read more about this church, the lead Bishop came to the US a while ago, and currently I think it is based in Chicago.

    Anyways, wondering what other people things of these groups (Orthodox (not Eastern), Old Beleivers, Assyrian).

    Oh, I also read about the Rastafarrians. Many of them beleive that the King of Ethiopia (in 1930) Haim is Jesus (he died in 1975 btw, and was a devote Ethiopian Orthodox). Besides the smoking of the herb, they seem very loose about a lot of social things (religion, etc).

    Jon Miller
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    I have to ask... how did a church split off in 437 BC
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    • #3
      Splitters!
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      • #4
        err, AD.

        Sorry. About the time of the Nestorian issues.

        Jon Miller
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        • #5
          What were you reading? I've read a lot of Elaine Pagels and have some of Bart Ehrman's stuff in my Amazon cart, but I'm always looking for new titles; I find this subject fascinating.
          "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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          • #6
            Nothing big, started on Wikipedia. I should look up your books really...

            I have a couple Armenian freinds here at the lab, I should see if they can invite me to church some time.

            Jon Miller
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            • #7
              Further proof that religion is bollocks...
              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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              • #8
                How so?

                Jon Miller
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                • #9
                  Because you have countless different 'Christian' groups all believing in different things...

                  Translate: Some Human Being decided he didn't like how some other Human Being was running the religion he was in and split creating his own one...

                  Religion is bollocks!
                  Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DaShi
                    Splitters!
                    ****ing Judean People's Front!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MOBIUS
                      Because you have countless different 'Christian' groups all believing in different things...

                      Translate: Some Human Being decided he didn't like how some other Human Being was running the religion he was in and split creating his own one...

                      Religion is bollocks!
                      You really don't understand the Christian religion.

                      Jon Miller
                      Jon Miller-
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                      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                      • #12
                        Yes I do. I understand that it is a ****ed up and splintered mess where some factions appear to hate each other more than they do other religions...
                        Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                        • #13
                          Huh? Most don't. The serious heritic stuff ended long ago, only a few places do interChristian religious tensions still exist (in Ireland for one).

                          The reason Christianity had such issues in the first place was because of the corruption of it being made a state church. Politicans used it as a way to manipulate people, and caused much suffereing. This has been the case every time Christians have killed Christians.

                          Also, as for yuo not understanding Christianity. We aren't made robots when we become Christian, that is so very much not the idea. Instead, we are following Christ... focus on the action of us. As such, we can miss the trail in different places, or be at different angles. And yeah, some aren't as efficient as others. But robots? No.

                          Jon Miller
                          Jon Miller-
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                          GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                          • #14
                            JM, i wouldn't waste you're time on mobius, he's just being a knob.

                            i too find this subject very interesting, i've read some good books on it recently, will give you details when i get home.
                            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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                            • #15
                              Where did I say robots?

                              If you were all robots, you would all follow the same Christian faction - certainly no robots in Christianity!

                              Now morons...
                              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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