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    City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention
    Todd Heisler/The New York Times
    Marco Ceglie, a member of Billionaires for Bush, a satirical performance troupe, said he suspected that the group was under surveillance in 2004.

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    By JIM DWYER
    Published: March 25, 2007
    For at least a year before the 2004 Republican National Convention, teams of undercover New York City police officers traveled to cities across the country, Canada and Europe to conduct covert observations of people who planned to protest at the convention, according to police records and interviews.

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    Michelle V. Agins/The New York Times
    Members of the War Resisters League were arrested during a march in August 2004.
    From Albuquerque to Montreal, San Francisco to Miami, undercover New York police officers attended meetings of political groups, posing as sympathizers or fellow activists, the records show.

    They made friends, shared meals, swapped e-mail messages and then filed daily reports with the department’s Intelligence Division. Other investigators mined Internet sites and chat rooms.

    From these operations, run by the department’s “R.N.C. Intelligence Squad,” the police identified a handful of groups and individuals who expressed interest in creating havoc during the convention, as well as some who used Web sites to urge or predict violence.

    But potential troublemakers were hardly the only ones to end up in the files. In hundreds of reports stamped “N.Y.P.D. Secret,” the Intelligence Division chronicled the views and plans of people who had no apparent intention of breaking the law, the records show.

    These included members of street theater companies, church groups and antiwar organizations, as well as environmentalists and people opposed to the death penalty, globalization and other government policies. Three New York City elected officials were cited in the reports.

    In at least some cases, intelligence on what appeared to be lawful activity was shared with police departments in other cities. A police report on an organization of artists called Bands Against Bush noted that the group was planning concerts on Oct. 11, 2003, in New York, Washington, Seattle, San Francisco and Boston. Between musical sets, the report said, there would be political speeches and videos.

    “Activists are showing a well-organized network made up of anti-Bush sentiment; the mixing of music and political rhetoric indicates sophisticated organizing skills with a specific agenda,” said the report, dated Oct. 9, 2003. “Police departments in above listed areas have been contacted regarding this event.”

    Police records indicate that in addition to sharing information with other police departments, New York undercover officers were active themselves in at least 15 places outside New York — including California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montreal, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and Washington, D.C. — and in Europe.

    The operation was mounted in 2003 after the Police Department, invoking the fresh horrors of the World Trade Center attack and the prospect of future terrorism, won greater authority from a federal judge to investigate political organizations for criminal activity.

    To date, as the boundaries of the department’s expanded powers continue to be debated, police officials have provided only glimpses of its intelligence-gathering.

    Now, the broad outlines of the pre-convention operations are emerging from records in federal lawsuits that were brought over mass arrests made during the convention, and in greater detail from still-secret reports reviewed by The New York Times. These include a sample of raw intelligence documents and of summary digests of observations from both the field and the department’s cyberintelligence unit.

    Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the Police Department, confirmed that the operation had been wide-ranging, and said it had been an essential part of the preparations for the huge crowds that came to the city during the convention.

    “Detectives collected information both in-state and out-of-state to learn in advance what was coming our way,” Mr. Browne said. When the detectives went out of town, he said, the department usually alerted the local authorities by telephone or in person.

    Under a United States Supreme Court ruling, undercover surveillance of political groups is generally legal, but the police in New York — like those in many other big cities — have operated under special limits as a result of class-action lawsuits filed over police monitoring of civil rights and antiwar groups during the 1960s. The limits in New York are known as the Handschu guidelines, after the lead plaintiff, Barbara Handschu.

    “All our activities were legal and were subject in advance to Handschu review,” Mr. Browne said.

    ... real article has 2 more pages, if you read this far you can click the link
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    teams of undercover New York City police officers traveled to cities across the country, Canada and Europe to conduct covert observations of people who planned to protest at the convention, according to police records and interviews.


    WTF?!?!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Guynemer
      teams of undercover New York City police officers traveled to cities across the country, Canada and Europe to conduct covert observations of people who planned to protest at the convention, according to police records and interviews.


      WTF?!?!
      Were they spying or on vacation?
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      • #4
        Apparently the NYC police isn't just a domestic intelligence agency . I mean, I suppose I'd have been a little less disturbed if, say, the CIA had a hand in spying abroad, but...
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        • #5
          I mean, seriously... how is this even possible?
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          • #6

            I thought Bloomberg was supposed to be the Republican NYC Mayor who wasn't a paranoid authoritarian...
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            • #7
              I can't really say I'm surprised. I mean, us anti-war activists are suh dangerous terrorists and all, with all the violence we've committed and bombs we've set off, and the planes we've hijacked . . . oh wait, that wasn't us.

              Maybe the police might possibly have more important targets to spy upon than makers of giant puppets.
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              • #8
                Wow, Teh Police spied on leftie activists?? Really?? What is the world coming to...

                Seriously guys, how can you even be surprised?
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                • #9
                  I'm not surprised at all. I know some people who've been under surveillance. There was a story like this in Canada too - I think it was in '99 or 2K - the RCMP had infiltrated a group called the Raging. Grannies. It was, literally, a group of grannies who took part in demos against poverty, made cookies for the homeless, etc.

                  As a matter of the fact, since Apolyton ranks in the 200 or so most active forums of the Internet, it's not unlikely they've got some agents lurking every here and then.
                  Last edited by Fake Boris; March 25, 2007, 07:46.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zoid
                    Wow, Teh Police spied on leftie activists?? Really?? What is the world coming to...

                    Seriously guys, how can you even be surprised?
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                    • #11
                      This sort of thing is standard. There always seems to be someone with a brand new che shirt at any of these kinds of marches

                      But the scale of this (NYC police officers spy on groups in Canada and Europe and spying on street theater groups!?!?!) is a bit ridiculous. Sending undercover agents into the Black Bloc or something makes some degree of sense but this seems like idiocy/a huge waste of money from any point of view.
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                      • #12
                        The paranoia knows no boundries in the capitalist oppressors!
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                        • #13
                          You mean they actually paid attention to what people said and did, and reported on it, and then waited until they did what they said? What a waste of money. They could've just sent the goons in to bust heads indiscriminately.

                          Outrageous!
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                          • #14
                            The problem is not as much that they would pay attention to public safety, but that they would blur the frontier between political free speech and crime. Keeping files on citizens who have never commited any crime, on the simple suspicion of their political beliefs, is an abhorrent practice. That you would approve of it is no surprise, though. The more you bend, the more you come to appreciate a good ass****.

                            There was a story like this in 2002 - the police infiltrated a young group of anarchists, actually helped them get fumigens and the like, and then arrested them on their way to a demonstration.

                            I say let the police suppress real danger where it exists, instead of wasting time fueling it - either directly through material contribution, or indirectly through sowing dissent with abusive monitoring practices. You don't see any problem with a municipal authority sending double agents abroad on the basis of forum posts?

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                            • #15
                              The problem is not so much what OB said as that a metropolitan police force has apparently become its own foreign intelligence agency. WTF.

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