What computer games do you have installed right now?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Odin

agreed. And this from a person who liked civ3 (but quickly grew bored of it).

[Lord Avalon]

AoE 3 + Warchiefs
Civ 4 + Warlords

AoM
Atari Anniversary Edition (Millipede )
Call of Duty
Civ 2
Deus Ex
Deus Ex 2
Diablo 2 + LoD
Doom 3
Dungeon Siege 2
Fallout
Fallout 2
Fallout Tactics
Far Cry
Ghost Recon
Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
Guild Wars
Kohan Ahriman's Gift
Kohan II
Morrowind
Neverwinter Nights
Panzers Phase I
Rainbow Six Raven Shield + Athena Sword
Steel Panthers World at War
System Shock 2
UT 2004
Warcraft III + Frozen Throne
X-com (but I think it was from a few yrs ago when I had and still used my W98SE partition)

[Nostromo]

Why so few? I think you should buy and install more games

[Lord Avalon]

Well, I did uninstall these games before I got a 2nd hard drive. I could reinstall.

AoE I + RoR
Asteroids
Dark Forces
Duke Nukem 3D
Half Life
Heroes of Might & Magic III & IV
Jedi Knight
Panzer General II
SWAT 3
Unreal Tournament
Warlords 3

Actually, I need to upgrade my computer before buying more games (or at least ones it can't handle now).

[Elok]

Originally posted by Dis
You need to buy these games when they are still in stores.

Or wait until the abandonware principle kicks in. Either way. I might move into the 21st century when I have a computer that can handle new games. The one I have would explode if it even thought about running Civ4.

[Last Conformist]

Haven't installed much since the last reformat. Lemme see:

Civilization III
Civilization IV
Alpha Centauri
UFO: Enemy Unknown (aka XCOM: UFO Defense)

[Asmodean]

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes (current no. 1)
World of Warcraft + expansion
Medieval II: Total War
Football Manager 2007
Civ IV + Warlords
Sid Meier's Railroads!
Europa Universalis III
Oblivion
Heroes of Might and Magic V + Hammers of Fate expansion
Lineage II (private server thingy - don't have a paid account)
Trade Empires
Kyodai Mahjongg
EVE Online
Galactic Civilizations II
Colonization

Asmodean

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Odin

Originally posted by Wycoff
Europa Universalis 3

Civ 3 total (I must be the only person in the world who prefers Civ 3 to Civ 4. As a matter of fact, Civ 3 is my favorite installment of the series.)

QFT

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison

QFT

I just don't see what makes Civ 3 so terrible and Civ 4 so great. Maybe I was just getting bored with Civ by the time 4 rolled around.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Dis
those games look so complex. But I've always been wanting to try them. Now if I could find one real cheap. wonder how much eu2 costs now.

£12.50 here. Though you should still probably just get EU3.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Wycoff

I just don't see what makes Civ 3 so terrible and Civ 4 so great.

Much less strategic depth in the former.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Much less strategic depth in the former.

I wouldn't say much less. Some of the depth that was added took away from the fun. I disliked the whole unit upgrade system, because it added a degree of military micromanagement that I thought felt disjointed when compared to the grand scope of the game. Religion was a cool aspect, but it wasn't as game changing as I thought it would be. I thought that the new corruption/expansion penalty/ whatever they called it was just a flip side of the Civ 3 model, as it punished you for early expansion rather than later expansion. I preferred the era-based tech tree to the free form tech tree. There were some other aspects that I didn't like, but I forget what they were. I sold it a few months ago.

[Lord Avalon]

Originally posted by Wycoff

Religion was a cool aspect, but it wasn't as game changing as I thought it would be.

Really? You expected more than its effect on culture, other civs attitudes toward you, and if you discover a religion, use a great prophet to build the holy building, you get +1 gold per city with that religion?

[Kuciwalker]

A (obviously former at this point ) friend recently divulged to me that he preferred Civ3 and previous to Civ4 because of the new city support model. The one that fixed ICS.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Lord Avalon Really? You expected more than its effect on culture, other civs attitudes toward you, and if you discover a religion, use a great prophet to build the holy building, you get +1 gold per city with that religion?

Those were nice, but they just felt superficial. IMO, they chaged tactics more than they changed strategy. My gripes:

I never felt that my game was substantially more or less fun if I founded four religions or if I didn't found any. Part of the disappointment came from the fact that the religions were bland. It didn't matter if you were Jewish, Buddhist, etc. I know that it would have been problematic to implement, but it would have been nice if civs received different bonuses depending on the religion that they followed. For instance, Buddism could have generated added war weariness but less civil unrest.

I also didn't like that there wasn't more fluidity in the religious system. It seemed that later discovered religions like Islam were often neglected. It would have been nice if the newly founded religions would catch fire in the civs that founded it and in the surrounding civs, spreading regardless of whether the civ wanted it to spread and causing major problems when it did spread. I recognize that the involuntary spreading did happen, but that spreading didn't cause your civ any problems.
This took away from the experience of religious conflict.
Founding as many religions as possible was beneficial, because you could get the temple in your civ, spread it to all of your cities and those of the civs surrounding you, and reap the benefits. I thought that founding more than one religion should have caused at least short term problems within your civ and those surrounding you, maybe causing armed rebellions to rise, maybe causing some cities to break away from your civ to start their own, etc.

I also would have liked it if you got a certain amount of gold per city in which your state religion was founded, but that amount was reduced for every other religion in that city. You could persecute those non-state religions to increase the percentage of your preferred religion in that city, but doing so would hurt relations with other civs who had that religion as their state religion.

In short, I hoped that religion would fundamentally change the way the game worked. IMO, it changed the game somewhat, but not enough. Religious conflict and upheaval is nearly missing from this game, represented only by the moderately altered attitudes of other civs towards you. Religious strife within a civilization is conspicuously absent, aas is the turmoil caused by new faiths arising in territories that follow an older faith. I had fun founding my religions for awhile, but the novelty wore off.

My main reason for not liking Civ 4 as much was the new unit upgrade system. The fact that I found the religion system underwhelming was just a secondary factor in my decision to uninstall & sell the game.