The consequences of the Anglo-saxon influence on the EU future

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Who dominates the eu, France or Germany?

The French.

[Pekka]

Least corrupted, check. THe other stuff doesn't really matter and the whole competitive point is extremely twisted. If we are so competitive, why is there no FDI inflow as we speak? That's right.

Why is it, that investors are afraid to invest in here, we are least corrupted in the world (according to that study), most competitive (cough, cough, BS!), a very stable country so everything is predictable, no hidden cost, highly educated work force, employers market... why aren't they interested? I know why, maybe you will know it someday too.

But all this doesn't matter too much, we have our thing going on and we make things OK for ourselves, like you stated the above. But the EU is nothing but a big tea party, where the person who is the most arrogant is the one speaking, adn the rest are kind of like giggling in their small groups. That's EU for you, all about the size of the tea cup, the accepted shape of it, the IDEA of the tea cup. As in who the **** cares? The practicality and pragmatism is like Jean Claude Van Damme. Once it was thought to be cool but now? Who cares.

[Pekka]

And I'm not saying this will be the story of our lives. I hope we get more exciting as a target, I believe we will be attractive sooner than later, but the point is, you are wrong, I am right and that's how the world works.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by VetLegion


The French.

No, they are now retired in their beautiful province, and are no longer interested with the EU. Could change when the 26 will get tired of free market and anglosaxonery.

[VetLegion]

"Ooh-la-la"



Sailing to Suomisalmi to reeducate some folks as to benefits of EU membership and to deliver some memos that were supposedly lost in the mail.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Pekka
I have equal apprecation for all cultures. That is, they're all crap, especially mine.

[BeBMan]

No single country dominates the EU now. Some would say that's the problem

[pchang]

What exactly

does DAVOUT want the EU to be?

Pekka claims that DAVOUT and the French in general, want the EU to be a vehicle for them to exercise their influence over the other members.

[Dauphin]

Obligatory

Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last 500 years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now when it's worked so well?

Jim Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely.

Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing (the EEC) up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased, it's just like old times.

Jim Hacker: But if that's true, why is the foreign office pushing for higher membership?

Sir Humphrey: I'd have thought that was obvious. The more members an organization has, the more arguments it can stir up. The more futile and impotent it becomes.

Jim Hacker: What appalling cynicism.

Sir Humphrey: We call it diplomacy, Minister.

[VetLegion]

Europass

[Arrian]

Yes, Prime Minister

-Arrian

[Sandman]

Originally posted by DAVOUT

No, they are now retired in their beautiful province, and are no longer interested with the EU. Could change when the 26 will get tired of free market and anglosaxonery.

What's anglo-saxonery? Is it like Jewry?

[Arrian]

It's all this annoying stuff about working.

-Arrian

[Pekka]

pchang, here's the thing, it's always been like a hush hush thing, where you won't state your true goals at all, because it would face lots of resistance. So now we are starting to learn that hey, there are these founders who had a dream that goes even further, and that there are people (Frenchies), who actually see that as the natural direction for the EU.

People came to the EU because it offers benefits. We're hoping it to be a strong economic force. But the Frenchies want more, they want to have more extra-territorial powers. And the biggest joke of all is when they say, well, actually you small ones have much more power, because if you all unite against us, you have the majority. You get my point? And that's supposed to be a fair thing? We're talking about mofoing Europe here. Ain't no such thing as united small countries. But it is a convinient thing to say, if you want to think everyone is equal. It just isn't true.

So when Britain is often kind of slowing things down when it comes to what they want, it's always 'they're going against the EU' and blaablaablaa. No they aren't. They are just thinking what they want. And if it happens to be something different, then you can hear the usual suspects saying they are being a problem here with this great thing. So, at the same time they are claiming to be the voice of the EU. Frenchies in real life have 0 respect for the new nations and there are lots of liars who say they are interested in what they say. This is not true. THey are looking ways to make the weaker nations pay for the rise of cost with the new members and that's about it.

Frenchies aren't alone though, they do have a powerful alliance, with some of the previously mentioned countries.

And let's not forget the French dream of 70s, who ever believes that just died away is a fool, and whoever asks what it is.. is also a fool.

[Sandman]

I'd be genuinely interested to know what sort of anti-nuclear weapons movement there is in France. I'm guessing not much of one.