300 (movie)

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Well Batman Begins was inspired by his Year One arc. I wouldn't mind a faithful adaptation of his Daredevil "Born Again" work. They'd just have to treat the first Daredevil movie like it didn't exist.

Superman Returns was based on the premise that Superman 3 & 4 didn't exist. But that's not really the point of this thread, eh?

[Barnabas]

Originally posted by Pekka
As I figured, you give up, because you can't debate the truth with your deception here. It might work somewhere, but in here it doesn't. I don't even have to shout that this is Apolyton, because you already gave up. The bottom line is: racism-not-tolerated-here.

Dude, both were bad, but while Persia was your typical oriental despotism, Sparta was North Korea bad, for all the freedom stuff thrown in the movie, one of the battles between Athens (which was still far from perfect) and persia would have been better, after all it is Athens which is admired, only nazis admire Sparta.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Ecthy
How quickly everyone turns into hobby ancient historians

Well, it's not like we all used to play Civ back in the day.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Barnabas


Dude, both were bad, but while Persia was your typical oriental despotism, Sparta was North Korea bad, for all the freedom stuff thrown in the movie, one of the battles between Athens (which was still far from perfect) and persia would have been better, after all it is Athens which is admired, only nazis admire Sparta.

it's one of those things, that even if the movie is based off a comic book, the original comic book story got it so wrong it has to be fiction. It'd be like a movie about hitler's human compassion that was based on a comic book. Well even if it was a comic book that glorified hitler and was obviously factually incorrect it doesnt mean that a movie that uses the wrong is discounted

a replication of a faulty work doesnt mean the replication is any less faulty. its like bizarro superman cloning himself.

that said, anyone with half a brain has to realized this was a work of fiction. anyone duped into believing it as fact deserves ridicule.

[Keygen]

Originally posted by aneeshm

that it was the Persians who were lovers of freedom when compared to the Spartans

It was because of their endless love for freedom that they conquered most of the known world back then and forced their subjects to pay heavy tribute

Originally posted by aneeshm

that they were a noble people

Noble? I've never heard of noble people, only of noble persons...

Originally posted by aneeshm

Even the greatest villain of our epics, written long before this Sparta thing happened, did not kill a messenger. And we have the Spartans, supposedly from the "Good Side", arrogantly killing the messengers the Persians sent them. And that is then portrayed as good! Absolutely shocking, and totally immoral and adharmic behaviour is condoned here!

That was very common in many places during Antiquity and Middle Ages. The Persians decapitated the messengers if they didn't like the message

I never fully understood this practice but I guess they thought they were sending a message

Originally posted by aneeshm

How people from such a society can talk of freedom and other values like that, when they did not actually practice any of them, is beyond me.

I guess Spartans were not the ideal of Democracy, but again it was the Persians that tried to subjugate the Spartans and not the other way around so they did fight for their freedom.

Originally posted by aneeshm

And also the fact that this is the impression that the audiences here in India carried away from this movie. They really believed that the Persians were like that.

Don't take any offense but either you exaggerate or the audience you're referring to is naive.

Originally posted by aneeshm

And now imagine how the opinions of simple people towards the Parsees (Persians) in India will change when they watch this movie, this being their only source of information on the subject.

The whole thing just horrifies me.

I had no idea that the Indians were so dependent on Hollywood to learn history

Originally posted by aneeshm

A friend of mine (a girl) was constantly cringing when she watched the movie.

You should had taken her to a more romantic movie

Originally posted by aneeshm

I can't fully express my distaste for the movie in words - it brings up too many associations and memories - but I hope I have done a fairly decent job of why I think this movie is disgusting beyond belief, and beyond redemption.

I am getting the feeling that you never felt that way when you were watching other movies that were trashing nations and cultures other than your likes, but on the other hand I might be wrong

Now tell me, were you really disappointed that much or are you simply trolling?

[Grandpa Troll]

I enjoy very much reading threads about history.

Then I think to me self, self:

History is reported and we believe in what we read, what if the recorded history is incorrectly skewed?

Then I think what if the only piece of History available to man in say 150 years is Wikipedia?

or even
~shudder~

Apolyton?

What then will people debate about, the authenticity of this lot?

GT

People, PLEASE go and do some research for yourself, experience it first hand then come tell us what thou hath retained unto everlasting knowledge!

Go read a book, study hard and pay close attention to detail!!

[DinoDoc]

Keygen = boy lover

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by aneeshm
I can recognise the classic Pekka-troll, but I'll bite anyway.



Uhh.....

I think the racism was from the other side, with the Persians being portrayed as sick, twisted, degenerate, filthy, and bestial creatures.

They were, I read it in a (comic)book

My objection is not the blood, actually. It's to the glorification of said bloodiness.

I bet you found Kill Bill offensive too.

And as I said, should not humans be trying to move away from bloodsport, instead of revelling in it?

Sure. Having said that, what's wrong with fake bloodsport?

It appears that someone has not read my post.

The one where you whined that the Spartans tossed a messenger down the well(so did the Athenians, by the way)? What about the Ionian Greek King who requested that his son be exempt from Xerxes' draft because it was his sole heir, and for the temerity Xerxes had him and the son crucified?

The values which I described were the values of the city-state of Sparta. And the 300 were fighting for those values.

But not the thousands of the other Greeks, who came from Democratic stats as well as autocratic ones.

Course, I'd like to see any Indian civilization that was even a limited democracy. Before British rule.

I'm not Persian.

Yer Aryan, which for the purposes of this conversation, is close enough.

[Barnabas]

By the way, I am offended by Aneeshm saying that there are only a few hundred of "real persians" nowadays, unlike egyptians or syrians, Persians were never arabized (altough they are muslims), there are millions of real persians nowadays (altough iran ahs many important minorities, I think over a third of iranians are tuks)

[Keygen]

Bruce, can you tell me where I can find those hot chicks on your post?

[Ecthy]

He isn't more Aryan than Pekka or the rest of us though.

[Keygen]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Keygen = boy lover

[Zulu Elephant]

I just saw a movie that'll give your eyes boners, make your balls scream and make you poop DVD copies of THE TRANSPORTER. It's called 300. I don't know what the title has to do with the movie, but they could've called it KITTENS MAKING CANDLES and it'd still rule.

It's about these 300 Greek dudes who stomp the sugar-coated **** out of like a million other dudes. I have a feeling that a lot of high school sports coaches are going to show this film to their teams before they play. Also, gay dudes and divorced women are going to use screen captures for computer wallpaper.

The movie takes place about a million years ago, and it's sort of like a prequel to SIN CITY. Except way less guns and cars but twice as much skull splitting.
If you watch this movie and go into a Taco Bell, and say to the cashier, "I need some extra sauce packets"
guess what? You're getting twenty sauce packets because your face will punch him in the brain.

I can't spoil the plot because THANK GOD THERE ISN'T ONE. Just ass kicking that kicks ass that, while said ass is getting kicked, is kicking yet more ass that's hitting someone's balls with a hammer made of ice but the ice is frozen whiskey.

TWO COOL THINGS ABOUT THE MOVIE AND ONE THING I DIDN'T
LIKE:

COOL THING ONE:
HEAVY METAL DURING BATTLE SCENES

Who gives a **** if the music isn't historically correct? LORD OF THE RINGS could've used some Journey.
This movie has that chu-CHUNG kind of metal that you hear in your head when your shift supervisor at Wetzel's Pretzel is telling you that you'll have to stay for clean up and you wish you had a sock filled with quarters in your hand.

COOL THING TWO:
FOES, MINI-BOSSES AND A BIG BOSS

Basically, the Greek dudes are fighting these Persian dudes, but the director, who must have a dick made of three machine guns, does it all like a video game. The Greeks fight through every death metal video from the last ten years. There's wave after wave of giants, freaks, ninjas, mutants, wizards, and a hunchback who looks like he's got Rosie O'Donnell on his back.

Would I have been happy if Dom DeLuise from HISTORY OF THE WORLD, PART I had shown up? Maybe, but this movie more than makes up for that glaring oversight.

NOT SO GOOD THING:
DUDE NUDITY ("DUDE-ITY")

These are Greek times, when there were a lot of naked women around. And there are some naked women in this film, but almost every naked woman scene has a muscular dude giving the screen an ass picnic.
Dude-ity is something directors put in their movies so people will think they're serious, I guess, and not just throwing in naked hotties.

Any directors reading this - IT'S OKAY TO JUST THROW IN NAKED HOTTIES.

Can't someone make a movie about naked Amazons and call it PAUSE BUTTON?

My final analysis is 300 the most ass-ruling movie I've seen this year, and will probably be the King of
2007 unless someone makes a movie where a pair of sentient boobs fights a werewolf.

[Barnabas]

Isnt aryan the indo european tribe which invaded/migrated iran and india?

I think indians and iranians can be "aryan" in the same way spaniards are "latins", which doesnt mean spaniards are the same as the people from Latium who spoke latin, or that indians/pakistanis are the same as the aryan invaders of thousands of years ago

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Keygen

Typical Athenian response.