2nd condemned Texas inmate in as many days executed

[Arrian]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
What's the difference in that case between imprisoning them and executing them? I'm especially interested in how one would rationalize LWOP sentences if we use that as a basis for rejecting the death penalty.

You can't take killing back. You can free someone who has been incarcerated (and, though you cannot give them the time back, you can at least attempt to compensate them).

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Incidently, I'm not a big anti-DP guy. My main objection is that mistakes (or worse) can result in an execution of an innocent person. The more precise we can make the process, the less that problem worries me. Conceptually, I don't have a problem with executing the worst of the worst.

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Arrian
You can't take killing back.

I don't see how this goes beyond mere platitude. How do you take back the time you've stolen from someone imprisoned for a crime they didn't commit? How do you compensate someone for the time that was stolen from them?

[Arrian]

How do we compensate anyone for wrongs done to them? Money. As I said, money won't give the person years of their life back... but then again money won't give the victims of various torts what they lost back either... it's the best we can do and it's better than nothing.

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Arrian
How do we compensate anyone for wrongs done to them? Money.

Then I say again, I don't see how distrust of government can be used as a sole basis for rejecting the death penalty where we allow the government to imprision people and especially in systems where there are LWOP sentences.

[Arrian]

Um, ok.

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

You're the one who said it in the post I quoted unless I misunderstood you. I was just curious about the basis for that opinion.

[Arrian]

Actually, I was attempting to explain another poster's argument to Sloww, who (it appeared to me) either didn't understand or chose not to.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

The initial argument was put forth by BuRjaCi. Sloww responded as follows:

Texas doesn't want the federal government's involvement, BuRjaCi. Of all the State's Rights states, Texas has been, and will be, the most adamant on that point. We take care of our affairs ourselves. We don't want, nor do we need, "Big Brother" sticking his nose into our business.

Which seemed... disconnected, shall we say, to BuRjaCi's post.

I don't really agree with BuRjaCi's point (we allow the gummint to do all sorts of things, including the use of deadly force, not just in executions).

-Arrian

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Who else would we trust to execute people?

The same people we seem to trust to do everything else -- corporations!

"Live from the Pfizer Lethal Injection Chamber of KBR Penetentiary, Texas, it's the Execution of Billy Wayne Cracker! Brought to you by Burger King, who want you to remember: broiling beats frying!"

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
The same people we seem to trust to do everything else -- corporations!

you are a genius

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Goodbye military?

I should have said that I don’t want the state to have the right to kill its citizens. War is a reality we have to face, executions on the other hand aren't necessary.

[_BuRjaCi_]

Laws that make sure nobody denies the holocaust are a (sadly) necessary violation of rights. We Europeans may seem incompetent and peaceful, but give us a decade or two and we could have a very efficient system of concentration camps up and running, our nukes could be erasing the Arab world and our armies could be trying to restore the “good old days” of European supremacy. We have a long tradition of conquest and we will need century’s to undue that. We are currently feeling quite threatened and that may sadly be a possible trigger for a change into a less… shall we say “tolerant” society.

[SlowwHand]

Another one on deck. Jury has spoken.

[DanielXY]

The talking about cost/benefit made me thinking...
How much $ does the US spend per year for Prisons, and how much % is that from total budget

And as the US is one of the countrys with high Prisoners per Capita figure I also would like to know how the Spending compares to other Countrys (mainly in Europe of course)...

Hm thinking some more of it in economic terms I figure its probably best to ban people instead of imprison them (like what the english did with australia). This way you got rid of your criminals and only have to pay once for the transfer to the remote island you gonna put them on

+ its also good from a moral standpoint: Innocents could still be taken back, if there was some justice error > than dp obviously