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  • #16
    He doesn't want Bush to win the next election.



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    • #17
      Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

      Even GePap admits that the surge has improved the security situation in Baghdad. You're going to have to come up with better spin than this if you want to be taken semi-seriously.
      The only people who don't take Ramo seriously are people like you, and since you are an acknowledged troll, that is not saying much.
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      • #18
        I usually take Ramo far more seriously than I take you, but he's off tonight. The fact that I temporarily rate you higher indicates just how far off his game he is at the moment...
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        • #19
          Petraeus, is he an ancient greek?
          I need a foot massage

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          • #20
            Since the "surge" is taking place in Baghdad and didn't even begin until the middle of February, I don't see why you would try to judge it's success based on the change in civilian deaths from Jan. to Feb. in the whole of Iraq unless you were purposefully trying to ignore and/or obscure the numerous reports out of Baghdad reporting a large drop in murders and other signs of sectarian violence...
            Regarding the time period, it's true that I used an imperfect comparison, but I haven't seen anything better. Which report are you specifically referring to (i.e. one that splits up February)? This endeavor is absurd considering that the surge just started, but since you brought it up...

            As for Baghdad vs. the rest of the country, it's hardly an improvement if sectarian killings are simply moved elsewhere in the country.
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            • #21
              Petraeus, is he an ancient greek?
              Dutch.
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              • #22
                Which report are you specifically referring to (i.e. one that splits up February)?


                One of many news stories...

                BAGHDAD, Iraq -- The Baghdad security operation has been under way less than three weeks, but it has already registered a success: a sharp drop in the number of bullet-riddled bodies found in the streets -- victims of sectarian death squads.

                The number of bodies found this month in Baghdad has dropped by nearly 50 percent to 494 as of Monday night, compared with 954 in January and 1,222 in December, according to figures compiled by The Associated Press.

                Since the crackdown was formally launched Feb. 14, AP figures Monday show 164 bodies had been found in the capital. The AP counted 390 bodies during the same period in January.


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                • #23
                  For all of Iraq.
                  "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                  • #24
                    Isn't the surge only in Baghdad...?

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                    • #25
                      No, it's in Anbar as well. But:

                      As for Baghdad vs. the rest of the country, it's hardly an improvement if sectarian killings are simply moved elsewhere in the country.

                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                      • #26
                        Isn't the surge only in Baghdad...?


                        Yes. I assume you also see the absurdity of Ramo's new tack...
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                        • #27
                          I would give it less than 5% myself.

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                          • #28
                            Although the surge may temporarily reduce civilian deaths, apparently there has been a 'surge' of US deaths to compensate...

                            Blasts kill 9 U.S. soldiers in Iraq

                            Only a fool (Drake) would even begin to consider that the surge has been a success so early on...

                            Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                            • #29
                              There's no plan B.
                              Aren't we on plan F by now?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ramo
                                A soon to be former Senator...



                                There was something like a drop of a five percent per day in civilian deaths (in all of Iraq) between January and February. It seems pretty silly to attribute a change that small to anything...
                                Ive been listening to NPR, and even they give a different impression. Fewer total civilian deaths in Februray than in months. Dramatic decreases in the number killed in sectarian kidnapping/torture.
                                Its true that the number of car bombings has stayed high, and there has been little or no drop in violence OUTSIDE Baghdad.


                                Beyond that are the political changes . The oil deal. The dismissal of the pro-death squad dep min of health. Dismissals of thousands of officials tied to militias. Suggestions of a cabinet reshuffle, long awaited.


                                Too soon to say, but some good signs.
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