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  • #106
    Originally posted by laurentius


    I think that issue has already been covered before in this discussion.
    I think I have missed the conclusion on this point - can you give a shortie ?

    The point is why the city sell off these youth. Why did they do it? Out of stupidity? Because they had an agenda? I dont really know. My guess is a bit of both.
    The building needed repair for mills wich they wasn't willing to offer. Instead of handling the closing down of the institution themself, they chose to sell it and leave that detail to the new owner.
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    • #107
      Originally posted by Arrian
      How was it supposed to go, then? The city gave them leave to use the house. It was a deal the city could end if they gave 3 months notice. It appears that they did this.

      At that point, the group had the opportunity to:

      a) seek new housing
      b) raise money to try and buy the house
      c) do nothing, assuming the new owners would be content to leave them be

      -Arrian
      You treat minors like they understand something about all that stuff?

      Obviously there place was used by many different groups and it wasent run by anyone in particular.
      Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

      - Paul Valery

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      • #108
        by kid:
        Look at the Russian revolution. The Anarchists fought against the concentration in power of the state. I respect that. Their against the state and any means of controling other people. I think that's a good thing.


        so youre not so much a communist as you just oppose big government... and you are not so much an anarchist as you disagree with them on some things. i think i understand...

        im gonna go for a bit, but ill be back. twas fun...
        Order of the Fly
        Those that cannot curse, cannot heal.

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        • #109
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          They didn't fight very hard for it. They could have avoided that by buying the craphole from the city when it was put on the market as they had tried to do from the Christians after making sure they were good and pissed off first.
          Just to get it correct. The foundation that has alle the mills nessecary to buy it was founded last year, so back in 2001 there wasn't such money. That foundation was first created when it was obvious that Faderhuset was the proper owner and an eviction was unavoidable.
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

          Steven Weinberg

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          • #110
            Originally posted by BlackCat


            I think I have missed the conclusion on this point - can you give a shortie ?
            Sure. It was agreed that it is good social policy to have places like these for young people to spend their time in.


            The building needed repair for mills wich they wasn't willing to offer. Instead of handling the closing down of the institution themself, they chose to sell it and leave that detail to the new owner.
            Ah so they passed...sold the bag full of dog**** with a time bomb to the naive Cult front company. Thats interesting theory. Quite creative I must say.
            Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

            - Paul Valery

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            • #111
              Originally posted by AAHZ
              by kid:
              Look at the Russian revolution. The Anarchists fought against the concentration in power of the state. I respect that. Their against the state and any means of controling other people. I think that's a good thing.


              so youre not so much a communist as you just oppose big government... and you are not so much an anarchist as you disagree with them on some things. i think i understand...

              im gonna go for a bit, but ill be back. twas fun...
              Why do you think I'm trying to pull the wool over your eyes?
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • #112
                Kid, I dont understand why you even bother with him anymore. Half the time I have no idea what he is even talking about....
                Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                - Paul Valery

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by BlackCat
                  Just to get it correct.
                  I'm saying that should have been much sooner than it was and would likely have allowed them to keep thier craphole.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by laurentius


                    No, not forever. Still this is not how it is supposed to go. The incompetence of the council is just shocking!
                    I'm a bit confused. They got their 3 month warning of eviction back in 2001. That means that they have had more than five years to prepare moving. The final judicial desicion about the eviction actually was done last year (nov/dec, can't remember) so they have had plenty of time to leave peacefully.
                    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                    Steven Weinberg

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                    • #115
                      You treat minors like they understand something about all that stuff?
                      No adults were involved in this (un)organization at all? None? I guess I figured at least someone involved was...

                      If so, letting them use house in the first place without any sort of adult supervision was ****ing stupid (to prevent the very things that happened - deterioration of the building, etc).

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by laurentius
                        Kid, I dont understand why you even bother with him anymore. Half the time I have no idea what he is even talking about....
                        He's pretty damn persistant.
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                        • #117
                          Too be fair to him. I really have a hard time with DD, Flubber and Arrian. They seem to play stupid alot so that you have to tell them what they already know, which ends up doing no good at all.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #118
                            Originally posted by BlackCat


                            I'm a bit confused. They got their 3 month warning of eviction back in 2001. That means that they have had more than five years to prepare moving. The final judicial desicion about the eviction actually was done last year (nov/dec, can't remember) so they have had plenty of time to leave peacefully.
                            I was referring tot the fact that the council sold Ungdomshuset in the first place. Were the youth informed years in advance that the council had plans to sell it so that they could maybe organise a fundraising to buy it? Were they informed that the council in fact did not regard the 1982 deal as anything but temporary? Were the youth really ever even given a chance?
                            Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                            - Paul Valery

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                            • #119
                              Were the youth given reason to believe the 1982 deal wasn't temporary?

                              When someone is letting you use something for free, it's usually wise to be nice to them. But of course if you're an anarchist, and the group allowing you to use their building is the government I suppose that doesn't work.

                              Imagine you are the gummint. Anarchists whole thing is the opposition of government - the rejection of authority. So what incentive do you have, exactly, to go out of your way to be nice to a bunch of anarchists... beyond, of course, the threat of violence? Further, why should you cave in when violence is threatened?

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • #120
                                Apparently so. Thats why they are protesting.
                                Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                                - Paul Valery

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