Leftist youth groups conduct street battles with police in Copenhagen

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Has the working class been mentioned at all in this debate so far? I might have missed it - I haven't read every page. If not, then I would claim that whatever this debate is about, it's not about socialism, and is not a 'cap-com' debate.

I don't think this is a cap-com debate although there is some of that here.

To address the rest of your post, maybe you don't really know that many communists. I personally, speak for homosexuals, women, minorities and just about anyone who needs it.

[Arrian]

Ok well why is it relevent that I don't speak for you when you don't need me to?

I was responding to this:

You might want to consider that maybe the reason they tend to go after leftists first is because we speak for everyone.

Then, when I said you didn't speak for me, you said I didn't know you very well.

...

I don't really understand what you're on about now.

-Arrian

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Ok well why is it relevent that I don't speak for you when you don't need me to?

I think that he finds it a bit annoying when people claims that they speak for everyone - I, at least do, espcially when they say things that I disagree with.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
I don't really understand what you're on about now.

-Arrian

If you ever need me to speak for you I'll do it.

[ZEE]

well i speak for myself and noone else. to claim otherwise is incredibly vain...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by BlackCat


I think that he finds it a bit annoying when people claims that they speak for everyone - I, at least do, espcially when they say things that I disagree with.

Ok, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about speaking up for the oppressed.

[Arrian]

Incidently, does anyone else here think that maybe, just maybe, it might be in the best interest of the youths involved in this incident to experience *not* getting what they wanted just 'cause they wanted it?

You don't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.

I mostly got what I wanted as a child. As a result, I was a tad spoiled. I've fought that as an adult... I don't deal with failure or things not going my way particularly well. Only child syndrome Thankfully, my parents weren't *that* bad. They did occasionally say no, and I'm better off for it.

I don't know the specifics of what this particular group did, or what their socioeconomic backgrounds are, but they sure do come off as terribly spoiled.

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

What exactly makes you think that they are spoiled, because they wanted to have a building to socialize in?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't think this is a cap-com debate although there is some of that here.

To address the rest of your post, maybe you don't really know that many communists. I personally, speak for homosexuals, women, minorities and just about anyone who needs it.

I've known plenty of communists who have supported equality for oppressed groups, but the more honest ones would not have claimed to have been speaking for them. There's a difference.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


I've known plenty of communists who have supported equality for oppressed groups, but the more honest ones would not have claimed to have been speaking for them. There's a difference.

Can you explain?

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Kidicious
What exactly makes you think that they are spoiled, because they wanted to have a building to socialize in?

Because they expected - DEMANDED - that they be given said building free-of-charge in perpetuity, and, when they didn't get their way, they rioted. Reading their account of events gives one some insight into their mentality.

Mummy and Daddy didn't give them what they wanted (nay, demanded!) and they threw a temper tantrum.

-Arrian

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Can you explain?

How can I speak for homosexuals if I am not homosexual? How can I speak for women if I am a man?

I can support calls for equality, and I can oppose discrimination, but it would be vain of me to think that I can speak for someone or something that I am not. I've certainly known some feminists and gays who get quite annoyed with leftists who claim to represent them when they don't.

Likewise many women get annoyed with feminists who claim to speak for them but don't.

[ZEE]

kid,
you only supporting the anarchists because you feel they are oppressed, BUT they did this to themselves. if someone WILLINGLY shoots themself in the foot... im NOT going to feel all sorry for them. why would you?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian


Because they expected - DEMANDED - that they be given said building free-of-charge in perpetuity, and, when they didn't get their way, they rioted. Reading their account of events gives one some insight into their mentality.

Mummy and Daddy didn't give them what they wanted (nay, demanded!) and they threw a temper tantrum.

-Arrian

Well they aren't demanding much. Usually if you are spoiled you demand a lot. In fact, you usually don't stop demanding things no matter how much you get. I'm sure that there are a lot of spoiled children, but I doubt many are leftists. Usually if you are spoiled you tend to think like daddy.

[Monk]

Originally posted by Winston
Tabloid EkstraBladet is a ridiculous source to refer to on any issue. It's the worst of the worst.

Not for entertainment value, at least. That 'Freddie' travesty in your choice of paper must be the longest running comic strip in history that hasn't been fun on any one occasion.