Giuliani way out in front of rivals in latest US presidential poll

[Sandman]

Guiliani is a spritely 63 to McCain's 71. He's less likely to keel over while in office, which is always a good thing.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Drixnak
Who cares about Giulliani, Newt Gingrich will be the next president.

If so, I think the whole of the world is going to call of diplomatic relations with you. I sincerely hope mine does...and has nothing to do with the US

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Two other points about Rudy:

1) Right now his numbers have a lot to do with Americans' memories of 9/11. But he's never even faced a statewide election, let alone a national one. His ability to reach out to anyone who's not a New Yorker is entirely unknown at this point.

2) Frankly, if I were the Dem candidate, Rudy'ss the guy I'd most want to run against. Really. He's got no foreign policy experience, no national-level policy experience, an easily-exploited personal history, an inability to take criticism, and a hair-trigger temper. He'd absolutely be the guy i wanteed to take on, 9/11 halo or not.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Sandman
Guiliani is a spritely 63 to McCain's 71. He's less likely to keel over while in office, which is always a good thing.

Damn, are you turning into China or something, where a spritely premier would only just be 90...

[Kidlicious]

I've always thought that Giuliani is not the presidential type.

One thing about Bush was that he could pull hat compassionate conservative crap, but I don't see Giuliani being able to do that to well with his record.

[Nikolai]

Quite the step for Guiliani; going from leader of NY to potential president. I don't know much of him except that he did some impressive job with NY's criminality. I remember the police chiefs and some politicians over here in Norway went over to learn of him. But other than his tough stand on criminality and later 9/11 fame, I'm pretty blank on him. Anyone care to tell me more of what he stands for?

[Provost Harrison]

For old ladies and pregnant women on a bus

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Nikolai
Quite the step for Guiliani; going from leader of NY to potential president. I don't know much of him except that he did some impressive job with NY's criminality. I remember the police chiefs and some politicians over here in Norway went over to learn of him. But other than his tough stand on criminality and later 9/11 fame, I'm pretty blank on him. Anyone care to tell me more of what he stands for?

Well he believes that being homeless is a crime and that low income people or unemployed people shouldn't have a house and therefore are criminals.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Wait until the issues are discussed. Someone is bound to say that Guiliani is pro-choice and pretty tolerant towards gays.

I mean, really, he was the mayor of NYC! Do people actually think the Republicans up there are similar to the Republicans who exist in South Carolina?

If he gets by the primaries as the nomniee these are bad stances in what way?

[Nikolai]

Charming.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


If he gets by the primaries as the nomniee these are bad stances in what way?

What Immie is saying is that these are not bad stances, just not popular ones with hicks

[-Jrabbit]

I think Rudy's biggest problem is that he has no national legislative experience, and no international diplomatic experience. Being POTUS with neither of those bases covered is a recipe for disaster.

Think Carter.

[Provost Harrison]

Bush managed to screw it all up with no such disability - so I shouldn't worry

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
It's about the self-identified "Christian conservative" wing of the GOP, the so-called "values voters." They are a significant part of the party, period, and play a disproportionately large role in the primaries. i really have a hard time seeing them voting for rudy, and iI have a hard time seeing any GOP candidate getting the nomination without them.

Just OOC, I wouldn't mind seeing this oft-repeated 'common knowledge' definitively quantified. The amount of people who identify themselves offhand as 'christian conservative', 'social conservative', 'values voter', etc. might be easy to determine, but I've never seen any indication that they intend to throw ALL other issues out the window just to stand firm on gays & abortion.

More importantly, the fact remains that the religious right HAS no major candidate to throw their weight behind. They have a choice between two social moderates, one Mormon heretic, and a sideshow of nobodys. With that sort of primary ballot in play, I'd bet that by and large, fundies would either A) stay home or B) split their votes somewhat evenly throughout the pack. In either case they would have little statistical effect, thus handing the decision to the majority of the party that is mostly concerned with the usual economic & security issues. Looking at the most recent polls, it seems that this true base is leaning towards Giuliani.

Then, once the primaries are over, I can't see any reason why fundies wouldn't vote for Giuliani. Honestly, look at it from the quintessential 700 Club audience member's perspective for a second. You can either vote for a baby-killing, ***-enabling, gun-banning candidate who will raise your taxes, be spineless on foreign policy, and let teh terrists run wild in this country like a pack of ravening wolves, OR vote for a baby-killing, ***-enabling, gun-banning candidate who'll keep taxes low, 'stay the course' in Iraq, make sure them thur crazy ragheads in Iran don't get the bomb, and will keep domestic security as tight as a drum.

Does anyone here seriously think the average fundie is going to look at the above two candidates and vote for the former, or stay home knowing that's effectively a vote for the former?

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Wait until the issues are discussed. Someone is bound to say that Guiliani is pro-choice and pretty tolerant towards gays.

I mean, really, he was the mayor of NYC! Do people actually think the Republicans up there are similar to the Republicans who exist in South Carolina?

Where do you pull these statements from?
Again, you insist on sweeping generalization.
When will you learn, Imran? That stance is key to understanding, you're not all that and more, like you think. In fact, it's stupid. Don't keep doing it.