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  • #31
    Originally posted by Jon Miller
    I don't think that fundamentally Bi people exist
    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala
      Maybe it's Sapir-Whorf at work
      IIRC, my linguistics prof said Sapir-Whorf was debunked long ago.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by DinoDoc
        Many? Are you sure it isn't all circumstances?
        Yes, I am sure. When the person you are talking to understands that the subject is singular, it obviously is not going to be mistaken for plural.

        Even in strictly grammatical terms, when you say "Someone left their sandwich on the table" the subject is obviously singular.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by General Ludd
          Yes, I am sure. When the person you are talking to understands that the subject is singular, it obviously is not going to be mistaken for plural.

          Even in strictly grammatical terms, when you say "Someone left their sandwich on the table" the subject is obviously singular.
          Not so.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by General Ludd
            Yes, I am sure.
            Are you absolutely sure? I'd suggest looking up the meaning of the word "they" before answering rather than simply going with the definition you made up.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              Are you absolutely sure?
              Yes, absolutely. I have experienced it first hand many times - on a daily basis, infact.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Lorizael
                No, it is about political correctness, but it just so happens this would clear up a good deal of ambiguity in communication, too. If this movement were picked up by any group even a little bit more mainstream than the LGBT, it might actually get somewhere.
                Well, um... yeah, for them I guess it's about political correctness. For us geeks it's about precision.

                IIRC, my linguistics prof said Sapir-Whorf was debunked long ago.
                Hm... yeah. Now that I think of it... people in CS tend to apply the weak (and somewhat obvious, unlike the strong form of complete linguistic determinism) form of the hypothesis in a slightly nonstandard way: Basically, what languages you know determines what concepts you can comfortably work with, and language features based on unfamiliar concepts seem difficult, weird or useless. Thus, while all it takes to learn a new feature or language is to study and use it, paradoxically until you learn it you can't actually see how it could be useful. You can't determine the usefulness of gender-neutral pronouns without actually using them (and to me, they do seem very useful).
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by LordShiva


                  Homosexuality and Heterosexuality are fundamental. We see them in nature, arrising in situations where there is no social explanation.

                  Bisexuality is just the result of hedonism or confusion, not of a fundamental desire.

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                  • #39
                    What about Asexuality?
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by General Ludd
                      Yes, absolutely. I have experienced it first hand many times - on a daily basis, infact.
                      It must be sad being that wrong.
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                      • #41
                        how is queer not covered by any of the other ones?
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                        • #42
                          The stuff in the OP is only used by a few deranged lunitics. Everyone else laughs at them.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala
                            Gender-neutral pronouns might sound silly to you, but if you're actually used to speaking a language that has them (and moreover if you're a geek with a fondness for precise expression anyway), not having them in English is a PITA sometimes. It's not about political correctness, it's about being able to succinctly say what you mean. To me, "he" is male and "she" is female. If I am, say, talking about a person whose gender is unknown or irrelevant, I find it awfully inconvenient to use "he or she" and simply wrong (not wrong in a moral way but wrong since it's not what I mean) to just use one of the pronouns.
                            If the gender is unknown then in gramatically correct English you use "he" as it is the proper default usage. I imagine that is the reason the radical feminists hate this rule so much and try to come up with gender neutral words; all of which are destined to be laughed at and then ignored.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Ninot
                              I've heard and used GLBT before
                              Even way back in the stone ages when I first went to college (late 1994) GLBT was a well known acronym. Of course I'm from the despised hippy, homo-gay, left coast so it might have taken a bit longer to catch on in the more boring and repressed parts of the country.
                              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                                Not so.
                                Why do you hate English?
                                Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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