'Screw the Market! Socialism to the Rescue' says London's Major

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber



There you go again-- Here we were having a decent chat and then you have to go all "commie" all of a sudden

Now see why does that have to be a commie thing to say?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Now see why does that have to be a commie thing to say?

Because I don't think most non-commies would accept that anyone prevents them from being able to obtain resources.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber



Because I don't think most non-commies would accept that anyone prevents them from being able to obtain resources.

If we're at an auction and we both want an item but you bid more money than I have what did you just do?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


If we're at an auction and we both want an item but you bid more money than I have what did you just do?

Out-bid you. If you don't value the item enough to bid more thats your problem.

I would never say that everyone can get any given resource. There is only one Mona Lisa. But if you don't get what you bid on, buy something else

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber


Out-bid you. If you don't value the item enough to bid more thats your problem.

I would never say that everyone can get any given resource. There is only one Mona Lisa. But if you don't get what you bid on, buy something else

Ok well what about things like jobs? You don't still think that everyone can go and work in Alberta do you?

[pchang]

Just how hard is it

for an American to get a work visa in Canada?


Might have to move to Vancouver when global warming starts to hit hard

[Spiffor]

Re: Re: Venezuela’s Poor 33% Richer Thanks to Social Programs

Originally posted by Flubber
Oh and we shouldn't credit Chavez too much-- the additional revenues are largely because of the oil price spike-- Those capitalist governments in North America are still posting record surpluses which can be spent on social programs

Actually, if Venezuela had been ruled by the old clique, I strongly doubt the Venezuelan poor would see much difference with the oil spike.

There are quite a few oil regimes out there, where the poor barely benefit from the immense wealth of their country. Saudi Arabia is an obvious example.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I think we should go back to discussing strawberry farms near Orpington.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratts_Bottom

Administration: Greater London

Pratts Bottom is a picturesque village in the parish of Chelsfield in the rural surroundings of Sevenoaks, Kent. It is a very small village, consisting of a main road (Rushmore Hill) on which is situated a school, a post office and the Bulls Head pub, two small churches and a few side roads.

[Last Conformist]

Re: Re: Re: Venezuela’s Poor 33% Richer Thanks to Social Programs

Originally posted by Spiffor

There are quite a few oil regimes out there, where the poor barely benefit from the immense wealth of their country. Saudi Arabia is an obvious example.

Is it? I might be misinformed, but I was of the impression that oil money had dragged the greater part of the Saudi populace out of the middle ages.

[Spiffor]

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression the Sauds' extended family kept all to itself, except in that they improved infrastructure.

[Flubber]

Re: Re: Re: Venezuela’s Poor 33% Richer Thanks to Social Programs

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't know, but I don't think it's irrational to spend money on energy for poor people around the world especially in the UK and US. There are benefits from it.

Sure-- a public relations benefit and a way to thumb his nose at the west

If he was really concerned with helping poor people in the world, most of the funds would end up in Africa.

[Kidlicious]

The Saudis have made investments in health care, but the investments in social services and housing are pretty poor considering all the oil revenue and how the rich live in that country.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Kidicious
The Saudis have made investments in health care, but the investments in social services and housing are pretty poor considering all the oil revenue and how the rich live in that country.

Yes, but if they spend their money on their own people, they'll have inflation, so they should give it away instead

[Imran Siddiqui]

[Lawrence of Arabia]

"the poor" have never benefited from oil. look at saudi arabia, russia, iraq, iran, venezuela, all countries have dictatorships and large quantities of poor because of oil. the only thing the poor can benefit from is improved government, education, better health, foreign investment and traning, not cash handouts of oil profits.
now look at estonia, lituania, ireland, singapour, taiwan, s. korea, all these countries have no natural resources yet all have grown a 10%+ per year in their history. you will never make a poor country rich by handing out oil profits. around 70% of a country's wealth comes from workers salaries, not capital profits. you need to make jobs for the people.