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  • to put it differently, what Witt said was that the answer to the problems of philosophy was the disappearance of the problems - the proof that they are in fact pseudoproblems. And what phil did after that was either try to prove him right in detail (analytic phil) or to deal with the issues of being human that could no longer be addressed in a "truth functional" way, but that had NOT disappeared, contra the TLP.
    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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      • a) LOTM
        b) truthfunctional is a logical term. A logical operator is truthfunctional when its truth value is strictly function of the truth value of the propositions it links. Your hysterical reactions have demonstrated, again, why I was right.
        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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        • Your sentence still doesn't make sense. The value of philosophy isn't a function; it coudn't be "truthfunctional" anyway.

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          • A logical operator is truthfunctional when its truth value is strictly function of the truth value of the propositions it links.
            Anybody care to explain this gibberish?

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • It means that the value of philosophy is not a simple case of looking at the truth of one or two propositions (using "philosophy" as the operator). In this sense, the term was used correctly.
              LOTM understood very well the point, so unless you can show telepathy between us, you've got to admit I was making sense...
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • Originally posted by Arrian


                Anybody care to explain this gibberish?

                -Arrian
                A negation operator is truthfunctional, because its value is strictly function of the truth of the proposition you're negating.

                "Not A" is false if A is true, and true if A is false.
                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                • Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                  It means that the value of philosophy is not a simple case of looking at the truth of one or two propositions (using "philosophy" as the operator). In this sense, the term was used correctly.
                  LOTM understood very well the point, so unless you can show telepathy between us, you've got to admit I was making sense...
                  I understood it cause Ive read the damned TLP, and thought about it (not sure I ENTIRELY understood it ). Something that I now think is more important for KH to do than reading Kuhn.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • LotM evidently has had some experience with these bizzaro philosophical terms. I haven't. To me it's gibberish.

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                    • Originally posted by Arrian


                      Anybody care to explain this gibberish?

                      -Arrian
                      It's very simple.

                      You have a set of statements which have a "truth-value" associated with them (to keep it simple, assume that there are only two for each statement: true and false)

                      A truth function is one which links the truth values of a set of statements to the truth values of another set of statements.

                      As an example: KH is smarter than Oncle Boris if and only if Oncle Boris is a philosopher and philosophers are stupid.

                      The statements here are:

                      A) KH is smarter than Fakeboris
                      B) Fakeboris is a philosopher
                      C) Philosophers are stupid

                      Represent the truth value of B and C as (truth value B, truth value C)

                      Represent the function as f

                      f(T,T) = T (if both B and C are T then A is T)
                      f(F,T) = F
                      f(T,F) = F
                      f(F,F) = F

                      f is a truth function. It maps a point in a space of truth values of a set of statements to a point in a space of truth values of another set of statements
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • Originally posted by Arrian
                        LotM evidently has had some experience with these bizzaro philosophical terms. I haven't. To me it's gibberish.

                        -Arrian

                        Thats not phil, its logic. Think of computer code. If a set of variables can be T or F, and if I have code that takes these variables as inputs, and if it spits out an output of T or F, and it always spits out the same answer for any given set of inputs, then its a truth function, IIUC.

                        I hadnt heard it before, or if i did, didnt remember. Its just that reading the TLP (and some later analytic phil) I had SOME experience with the overlap of formal logic and modern phil.
                        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                        • Originally posted by Arrian
                          LotM evidently has had some experience with these bizzaro philosophical terms. I haven't. To me it's gibberish.

                          -Arrian
                          I was responding to Kuci... your response is the post after.
                          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                          • the part that kuci challenged, Arrian, was not what truth functional meant, but how it could be applied to a discipline like philosophy, which isnt a "function".

                            That is what I tried to explain, and apparently I did so correctly.
                            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                            • Originally posted by lord of the mark


                              I understood it cause Ive read the damned TLP, and thought about it (not sure I ENTIRELY understood it ). Something that I now think is more important for KH to do than reading Kuhn.
                              I don't particularly care what you think is important for me to do, dude.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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                              • Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                                I don't particularly care what you think is important for me to do, dude.
                                well of course, but then dont expect to be taken seriously wrt to philosophy, any more than you take seriously many lesser lights wrt physics.
                                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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