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JS Mill, free speech, and creationism/global warming
The schools are very much a forum of debate. This is obvious from the fact that they're being used as such.
I've not seen any evidence of that, but if so, they still shouldn't be.
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok
So it boils down to: we are correct, people can't be convinced by logical debate, so we must indoctrinate them with our beliefs so they'll support us in the future.
That's the impression I'm getting, as well.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
So it boils down to: we are correct, people can't be convinced by logical debate, so we must indoctrinate them with our beliefs so they'll support us in the future.
No, it boils down to: we are probably correct, people can't be convinced by logical debate, so we must indoctrinate them with our beliefs so they'll support us in the future. If those of us with the capability to actually judge any of these issues change our minds in the future we'll start indoctrinating people with the new stuff.
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They? The children? If they're interested enough and are smart enough in a topic, they can pursue higher education, and publish informed criticism in scientific journals.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Just like the newspapers aren't properly a forum for debate. But at least they aren't being paid for by my taxes, and they don't have a captive audience of children, who are even stupider than the general public.
They aren't? I thought that was the gist of oped and editorial pages. That being said it would be a fair statement of the majority if not entirety of papers to say they don't fairly offer competing opinions save those from competing equally biased papers.
As for them being paid for by my taxes, indirectly they are as a sizable portion (majority perhaps?) of their material for comment/reporting comes from news associated with government that wouldn't exist save for tax revenues.
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“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
Because the common man hates elitism. They'd destroy any politician that talked about them in this way. And they'll try to destroy the scientific establishment if they ever come to believe that a majority of scientists think of them like KH does...
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
But we are taught to reject certain opponents out of hand. What opportunity do they have to change our mind?
Funny, I was taught Newton's Laws as divine fact. But I had no problem accepting that they were not completely true when the time came.
Most people are not able to think for themselves on scientific subjects. They are irrelevant to the real debate, except insofar as they can restrict it through political power.
They do, to at least some extent (i.e. to the extent that there exists a rough academic consensus). Didn't they teach econ at your high school?
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
@Kuci: I don't believe you addressed the end-of-education point. If we're to have education, someone has to decide what is taught, since there's no possibility of teaching all views. Should, therefore, public education be abolished? If not, what makes creationism more worthy of being taught than that America has founded by Chuck Norris and the Gay Girl Guides?
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok
Funny, I was taught Newton's Laws as divine fact. But I had no problem accepting that they were not completely true.
When did you go to HS, 1896?
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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